Fight Crime -- Ban Fake Guns ???

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Amazing -- It seems that some folks in the United Kingdom want to fight crime by banning fake guns (and making it harder to buy knives):

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4434269

Blair Promises Crackdown on Knife and Gun Crime

By Trevor Mason, PA Political Staff

Tough new powers to tackle the use of knives and guns were unveiled by Labour today as fresh figures showed violent crime rose 9% in the final three months of last year.

The Prime Minister joined Home Secretary Charles Clarke in announcing a 10-point plan to “fight back against thugs†and cut crime overall by 15%.

But later Mr Blair was involved in a heated phone-in exchange with a police officer, who lambasted him over the number of officers on the beat.

Labour pledged that a new Violent Crime Reduction Bill, would be introduced within weeks of a General Election victory.

It will include tougher sentences for knife and gun crime, raise the age at which a young person can buy a knife from 16 to 18 and make it illegal to buy an imitation firearm below the age of 18.

Ministers plan to consult on the feasibility of banning replica and imitation guns altogether and set up a Gun Crime Hotline for people to raise worries about gangs using guns to intimidate communities.

Under the crime crackdown, hooligans responsible for anti-social behaviour would be publicly named and shamed so local people knew who was responsible for any trouble.

Mr Blair promised to ensure a “visible uniformed presence†in every community by adding to record police numbers with 20,000 extra community support officers by 2008.

“On any basis, crime has fallen since we came to office,†Mr Blair said. “Yet we know that for many people in local communities it doesn’t feel like that.â€

Mr Clarke told a news conference: “The fight against crime, and particularly violent crime and anti-social behaviour, is a number one priority for Labour.

“It is under a Labour Government that overall crime has fallen by 30% and violent crime by 26% but of course we want this to fall further.

“That is why we commit to reducing all crime by a further 15% and within that to ensure that violent crime continues to fall.â€

But Conservative leader Michael Howard rejected any claims of a fall in violent crime, insisting: “The police’s own figures demonstrate with absolute clarity that violent crime has been increasing very fast under this Government.â€

And a police officer, who claimed his job was getting increasingly harder, criticised the Government’s record on a phone-in for BBC Radio 5 Live.

The officer, who identified himself only as Carl, from Boston, Lincolnshire, asked: “Why is it that you continually make my job harder by telling the general public that there are more police officers than there has ever been, when for every police officer you have put in the rank and file on the street, you have probably put another four in offices ?â€

Mr Blair responded: “I speak to a lot of police officers, Carl, who don’t actually share that perspective and who actually believe that they are getting on top of the crime situation, difficult though it is.â€

Earlier at the news conference, the Prime Minister got into hot water after appearing to suggest crime was less violent during the era when the notorious Kray twins ruled London’s East End.

Speaking of today’s drug gangs, he said “when you watch the films back in the 1950s about this type of criminal there were certainly rules or a code that even some of those people seemed to have – it was not of the same nature as some of the really appalling ugly violent crime that you get today linked with drugs.â€

Challenged later, however, he said: “I’d better issue a correction. No, I’m notbeing nostalgic for the era of the Krays.â€
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Of course.
And it's only knives over the length of 4 inches that are deadly.
Switch blades make them slice through armor, and can kill a group of people in a matter of seconds.
 
I am SO glad I do not live in England. The politicians know that criminals will not heed any new laws, so they pass legislation punishing decent folks who will follow the law in an attempt to make themselves feel as though they are still in control of the situation. I sure hope that one day the powers that be take on the root causes of crime and quit beating up on decent folks.
 
raise the age at which a young person can buy a knife from 16 to 18 and make it illegal to buy an imitation firearm below the age of 18.

I wonder how young people will buy cutlery to eat with :confused:

well so much for the coveted airsoft rifles that the brits are always talking about. "WE DONT HAVE GUNS BUT WE HAVE AIRSOFT"

WELL SOON YOU WONT HAVE THAT EITHER!
 
is it time to start putting corks on the forks yet? you'll put your eye out with those things. :rolleyes:
 
Of the many articles coming from England, they always mention "replicas that have been converted."

Whenever I've seen any type of replica pistol for sale, there are great big bold signs that says this is not a real firearm, it cannot be adapted to fire, etc...

What types of replicas do they have over there and what are they converting them to fire (ie what caliber)?
 
What types of replicas do they have over there and what are they converting them to fire (ie what caliber)?

There used to be Brocock pistols, but they're gone now. The antis calim the Airsoft stuff can be converted, but as usual, they're talking out of their ar*es.

Sadly, common sense means "ban it!" over here. I can talk to the MPs here, but they don't listen.

If it goes through, anyone wanna help me get over there?
 
Fake Guns

One of the main sources for criminal's guns in the UK is deactivated firearms that are being illegally reactivated.

There are two different standards on what has to be done to a gun to deactivate it. Since 1988 the guns are pretty much destroyed internally so reactivation isn't an issue, but guns deactivated prior to that date didn't have to be brought upto the current standard. Its these that are being reactivated.

Quite how many shots (if any) these reactivated guns will fire before blowing up in your face is another matter - but most criminals are brandishing rather than shooting so they'd rarely find out.

The other main source for criminal guns is Eastern Europe - less than a day's car drive away and your into all the old communist block countries where money talks.

Legally owned guns (yes there are still some of us !) play effectively no part in crime.

Of the 70 people killed in the UK last year by guns I don't think a single one was by a legally owned gun.
 
Guys I don’t mean to sound anti…

I hope most here know I am not, I don’t own any AIRSOFT guns but I might some day, but here in GA recently we (LEO) have been encountering A LOT of juveniles as young as 11 carrying these AIRSOFT replicas. Personally answered 2 calls in recent weeks involving juveniles pointing them at cars, one kid even jumped out in front of a car at a 4-way stop pointing his “gun†at the driver of a car, while according to 2 independent witnesses “several†other kids ran up to the car, before breaking off the rush and all ran into a yard adjacent to the intersection disappearing over a fence.

Now imagine if you will you, knowing what you know now about criminal behavior and you saw that happen, I guarantee that the first thing you would assume is a carjacking.

It’s just a matter of time before some young punk is going to end up dead either at the hands of a cop or some unlucky CCW who was just in the right place at the wrong time.

The reason these things are destine to be banned or more likely to be treated as “real guns†from the point of the purchaser here in the US of A, is exactly the reason I have outlined…

STUPID PEOPLE!!!

The same fools who help push the liberal anti-gun agenda!!!
 
It’s just a matter of time before some young punk is going to end up dead either at the hands of a cop or some unlucky CCW who was just in the right place at the wrong time.

It's happened a few times over here, our ARU is called out, the kid pints the gun at them, they don't know if it's real or not and shoot the kid.

I bet all of you guys in the UK feel safe - no more holagans running around with super-soakers.

There are still the neds running about with knives. There are quite a few of them in my town, and all of them know and dislike me. :(
 
Hi all. new to THR

HI i'm new here, been lurking and finally couldn't take it anymore, i had to say something.

If you keep on doing what you've always done - you keep on getting what you always got.

Isn't this the definition of insanity? When something is done over and over and the person(s) doing it expect a different outcome.
 
Welcome, Mr. Anderson!

I, for one, am having a hard time reconciling the Tony Blair who was right-on with the notion that terrorists have to be hammered hard and strong, with the Tony Blair who seems to be OK with disarming his citizens.

Or am I just reading this incorrectly?
 
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