Finn Mosin Nagant. Receiver marking?s

[atblis]

I am trying to figure out what my Finn MN was in its previous life. Working on getting some pictures.

Anyways, it is a hex reciever with the Imperial Eagle and a II underneath it. No other markings that I've found on the receiver.

Looking here
http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm
Has a similar marking except it usually includes Remington... underneath it.

Did the Finns grind the receiver markings off?

Any ideas what this thing is?

Thanks,
Andrew

 

[GD]

A peek under the receiver tang will give you the maker and year of manufacture. The Finns did grind off (usually a circular depression) on some rifles (common on M39s). The Soviets also ground off imperial eagles on the barrel shank and receiver and also peened them.

 

[Ash]

If it has the Eagle on the receiver, it almost certainly is Russian. Remington, New England Westinghouse, and I believe Chatelleraut did not mark the receiver on the flat just ahead of (over) the chamber.

If the tang is unmarked, it was likely ground off by the fins (the underside of the tang). Usually it will have a date, either two or three digits (as in 99 for 1899, 11 for 1911, 918 for 1918, etc) for the year.

You will also see either a hammer, a bow-and-arrow, a "C" or a single arrow. The hammer is Tula, the bow-and-arrow is Izhevsk, the "C" is Chateleraut, and the arrow is Sestrorysk. An R in a circle is Remington and a letter with a plain arrow coming out of it is NEW.

In the end, if it has the eagle on the receiver it is not American. If the receiver is plain without having been ground (if there is NOT a shallow divot on the receiver flat) then is it likely American.

Ash

 

[atblis]

In the end, if it has the eagle on the receiver it is not American.

Are you sure?




The marking looks more like this one, but it has an II under the eagle.

 

[Ash]

Those are barrel shanks. The Remington and Westinghouse rifles had the eagle on the barrel shank. Indeed, so did Tula and Izhevsk.

However, the Russian-produced models had it also on the receiver flat as in your bottom photograph. The pi symbol often appears under the eagle on Tulas and Izhevsks. The American-made rifles did not mark the eagle a second time. Interestingly enough, there are many, many different variations of eagles on the barrel shanks of American rifles, especially the New England Westinghouse rifles.

Ash

 

[atblis]

Okay, that makes sense.

 

[Danus ex]

Anybody know what a big "A" on the receiver flat means?