Firearms on Military Base

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As an Initial Entry Controller on my base, I would strongly advise against Tirod's suggestion. Not only is every vehicle subject to search, but the FPCON can change at any time. So if you've been visiting a base for years at FPCON Normal or Alpha, and you've never been searched, tomorrow the facility may be at Bravo or higher and you're far more likely to get caught.

Even on a normal day we engage in random vehicle searches. Are you a gambling man?
 
As an Initial Entry Controller on my base, I would strongly advise against Tirod's suggestion. Not only is every vehicle subject to search, but the FPCON can change at any time. So if you've been visiting a base for years at FPCON Normal or Alpha, and you've never been searched, tomorrow the facility may be at Bravo or higher and you're far more likely to get caught.

Even on a normal day we engage in random vehicle searches. Are you a gambling man?

I agree. My job has had me go on the subase in Groton off and on over the past 10 years. Maybe about 700 or 800 times. I've had 2 random searches. So you might be OK most of the time, but when you hit that "winning number" and they pick you, it won't be pretty when they find the firearm in your trunk.

Also, a random search is not like a routine traffic stop where they casually look in the window. My random searches took about 15 minutes, they cleared out everything in the car, brought in drug sniffing dogs, searched nooks and crannies, looked for hidden compartments, looked under the car, rifled through my knapsack, etc...
 
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I should add that I am firmly on the side of arming more individuals on bases, whether it be simply honoring carry permits or loosening restrictions on carrying for military members. But as long as the rules are in place they will be enforced.

By the way, if you have an unusual circumstance, Security Forces may be willing to secure your weapon while you're on base. It's totally up to the flight chief. Just don't expect him or her to do it for you while you run to the BX for smokes.
 
My American Journey....

General Colin Powell, the US Army general & former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote of a event in his book; My American Journey where he got in some hot water with the DoD police(083) for leaving a few military type surplus rifles in his POV(private vehicle) trunk.
Powell blew it off but I think it was unethical.
"Leaders" should lead from the front & set a example. Double standards or hypocrites should not be tolerated.
 
As the Sergeant of the Guard on duty at the gate, I would follow the orders of the Initial Entry Controller to the letter. And, as such, we busted a lot of Command's kids driving drunk, plus some VIP's. Our arrest rate alone tripled the previous year.

If the FPCON states search every car, so be it. At the Main Gate at Ft. Benning the morning ingress numbered in the thousands of vehicles. I suspect a lot of other busy posts are the same, so threatening that a specific car would be searched and a weapon found is a bit silly. Most of the staff on post is civilian, and local and state laws are more likely their concern.

The shooting in Ft. Hood points out the problem -even soldiers on post aren't under a blanket prohibition. http://kitup.military.com/2014/04/marine-corps-issues-interim-rules.html#more-27926

Note the Marines are escalating their policy, but Commanders will be Commanders. They love to micromanage these days, and the current Administration never lets a crisis go to waste. But, in in the past, when Commanders have attempted to prohibit weapons in private quarters off post, it was brought to Representatives. That isn't a phone call Commanders like to get.

Please note in the link the specific comment:
Currently, “there is no overarching prescriptive instruction adequately governing the use and handling of privately owned firearms aboard installations at either the [Defense Department] or Marine Corps level,” officials said April 3,"

And that just covers soldiers living on post. It very much is a patchwork of different views because state laws do have an effect on the local policy. Civilians are something else.

Could someone have problems bring weapons on post? If they were already doing something else that caught the attention of authorities. Most of the searches we conducted were caused by the smell of alcohol or marijuana rolling out the window as an ID was proffered, usually after 8PM.

A retiree coming on post to shop at the PX? Not hardly. If the individual has been coming onto post over the last few years, he already knows how it works.

What I wonder is why now be concerned, when the circumstances were much more serious numerous times before. What changed?
 
Went to Ft. Sill today for new Army retiree id card. Also went to firearms registration to add a gun to the list.

Firearms registration has changed since my last visit in late 2012. Only soldiers living on post have their guns registered in the US Army database.

Soldiers living off post, civilians and military retirees wishing to bring a private weapon on post for target shooting or hunting are given a form with their name, SSN, address; etc. The individual lists the weapons he/she wishes to bring on post. Required information includes make, model, caliber/gauge, length, type and serial number.

There is only one copy of the form and the individual must possess that form any time he/she brings a private weapon on post.

This is subject to change.
 
Fort Campbell KY....

What about a CONUS post like Fort Campbell KY?
I've heard about 85% of it is actually in TN, :eek: .
How would a post like that be compliance? :confused:
In 1990, I had orders for the 101st Airborne. They sent me a thick welcome packet.
A few enlisted MPs & Sgts told me the post was considered KY because the USPS put the zip code for the post in KY. :rolleyes:

Rusty
 
^^ This.

You can posture all you like, but it's simply not going to fly. To think otherwise is magical thinking and falls into the category of wishing that Dumbo will fly.


Willie

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nor should it.

Elapsed time from firing of the first shot, until Lopez killed himself = 8 minutes.
And why shouldn't they allow personal firearms to be carried on base? If you think 8 minutes is acceptable, then let someone shoot at you for 8 minutes while you call for help on your cell phone.
 
And why shouldn't they allow personal firearms to be carried on base?

It will never happen. The chain of command doesn't trust the soldiers to carry weapons outside of strictly controlled environments. You are going to have have to overcome the mindset that allows soldiers to carry loaded automatic weapons in a combat zone but freaks out over fixed blade knives.
 
Bank lock box or FFL off post. Small fee. Peace of mind.

Unwise to bring it on post. Unwise to travel that distance unarmed.
 
It will never happen. The chain of command doesn't trust the soldiers to carry weapons outside of strictly controlled environments. You are going to have have to overcome the mindset that allows soldiers to carry loaded automatic weapons in a combat zone but freaks out over fixed blade knives.
The statement by alsaqr was that the Army should not allow personal firearms carried on base. Entirely different statement than they would not allow personal firearms on base. I was seeking clarification as to why alsaqr felt that they should not allow personal firearms on base.
 
I was seeking clarification as to why alsaqr felt that they should not allow personal firearms on base.

i do not have a problem with personal firearms on military bases. i have a very big problem with concealed weapons on military bases.
Mass shootings on military bases are very rare. The introduction of private concealed weapons into the mix would lead to many more murders. Concealed private weapons have no business on a military base. Believe it or not, the US military, especially the Army has a gang problem. The last thing the military needs is gang members carrying concealed weapons.

On Cache Rd. about 100 yards from where i'm sittiing is a small memorial to a veteran who had an altercation with an off duty Ft. Sill MP at a girly bar. The man left and the MP followed. The man either pulled over or was run off the road. The off duty MP murdered that man with his service pistol. Yep; what in hades was an MP doing with his service pistol off post?

A soldier was murdered in the parking lot of that girly bar by another soldier, gang related. The weapon, a US Army M16 rifle, was found in the roadside ditch.

Not related to this discussion, but related to military firearms training and attention to detail.

Yesterday, this USMC gate guard "accidently" (read negligently) killed another Marine with his M4 rifle:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/08/marine-shot-killed-at-camp-lejeune/7489541/
 
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The introduction of private concealed weapons into the mix would lead to many more murders.

Ahhh....the same "blood will run in the streets" argument that someone is guaranteed to make whenever there is talk of loosening gun control laws or regulations.....
 
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