Fired Cases that Come with Gun

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There is no solid guarantee that after a small amount of wear, tear and vigorous cleaning, the chamber will leave the same marks on the case, or that the case in the box came from the gun in the box.

There is a "ballistic fingerprint" system that has some valid law enforcement use: NIBIN or National Integrated Ballistic Identification Network. That's a data base of scanned crime scene ballistic evidence that can tie a weapon recovered in possession of a suspect to previous crime(s) committed with the same gun.

If you point out that the Maryland database of samples from all guns sold at retail has not solved a crime or convicted a suspect, its fans point out that it increased the cost of buying a gun in Maryland and therefore made guns less available to the average Maryland gun buyer. I suspect that is the real reason behind it.

The Canadian national gun registry is a source for some relevant analysis on systems aimed at gun owners supposedly to target crime. Canada has had registration of handguns since 1934 and of rifles and shotguns since 1997. Canada 2003 to 2009 had 4,257 homicides, of which 1,314 were with firearms (all types). The firearm was ID'd in less than 1/3 of cases. Of ID'd firearms, 3/4 were unregistered. Of the registered firearms, a total of 62 were registered in the name of the accused. Even in those 62, conviction did not hinge on registration data. Most of those were handguns.

Apparently in no case did the registration lead to identifying the suspect. First the suspect was identified by other evidence, such as motive and opportunity rather than means, then it emerged that the 62 of the 1,314 had a registered gun. And those 62 were the minority of gun homicides: in the majority, the gun was usually not identified. If identified, the gun was usually not registered. If registered, the gun was about half the time not registered to the suspect.

In the history of the Canadian long gun (rifle and shotgun) registry, a total of 3 (three) long guns were traced to the accused in murder cases. The trace information was of minor importance in prosecuting the crime, and of little or no importance in solving the crime. The long gun registry is scheduled to be dismantled: after 17 years and 2.7 billion dollars it has proven to be useless in fighting crime.

For similar reasons, there is a movement in Maryland to end their ballistic fingerprint database. The money spendt in Maryland could have fully funded a number of full time police, or been used to upgrade training or equipment for law enforcement.
 
And the one-gun-a-month repeal is on its way to the governor as we speak

And if I recall correctly that was only a one HANDgun a month rule and if you had a CCW (or maybe even a C&R) you were exempt anyways. I have definitely purchased more than one gun a month in VA.
 
With one round out of a revolver they can get firing pin, firing pin bushing, and possible recoil shield data (if the load is powerful enough and hasn't been reloaded) and that's all you need to ID a revolver. You don't need a case from each of six chambers.

By the way, there are other "tells" on fired cases from an auto. Like chamber markings from the pressure and extraction, and markings from the extractor and ejector themselves.

There were two fired cases in a nice carefully labeled little envelope in the box of the last auto I bought. Even had the tester's initials on it.

Terry, 230RN
 
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The spent case is required in Maryland. It's a law that makes the anti-gunners feel a little warmer and fuzzier. It has accomplished nothing.

A spent case is not required to purchase a used handgun in Maryland.
 
In NYS, an LEO must fire any new handgun before it's transferred to the owner. Supposedly it helps them identify the gun it came from in case of an incident. There are numerous ways around this though so it doesn't help anything except for the appeasing of some Libs who know nothing about guns.
 
The spent cases in Maryland have not been actively used since 2005, I believe, but the law remains in the books.

I've read that the Maryland Legislature stopped the funding for the system because it did not produce any result and the Maryland State Police wanted to use the money for other things. I've also read on line, for what that is worth, that all of those cases are now just dumped in 55 gallon barrels and there is no active entry of the case fingerprint into the system.

There has been some talk of revoking that law. But, this being a very gun-fearing state, I sort of doubt it will be done unless the Maryland State Police recommend it.
 
These programs are also imPlimented by those that think The 'science' in CSI is actually real.....


Because honestly, even under the best microscope..... You cannot tell fired brass from one glock from brass from another glock......
 
I don't really understand this concept anyways because it only somewhat proves that it came from a gun in question. It does not prove who shot it. And what if someone loses or has a gun stolen out of their car? Then you have a whole other situation on your hands and those little shells are going to be of little help then. I don't get the point. Also, who is to keep someone at the range from picking up your shells and reloading them thus shooting with the same cases again? I assume that would change some markings to some degree but you never know.
 
I also, saw something about the FBI receiving evidence from a shooting so they could search their database.
Got me wandering this: we get the spent casing and the FBI gets the bullet for a secret database that they have instituted without the public's knowledge.

BTW. My new Springfield 1911 RO contained an envelope containing all the info about the enclosed shell casing. Only thing is, the casing and info on the little envelope stated that it was from a Springfield 45 XD. Huh? what's up with that?
 
Several of my Semi's have aftermarket barrels in them. What good would it do? I've also read somewhere, that primer strikes on spent casings (matching them to a gun) has been, or is being proven to be based on junk science.

Oh, btw, I've viewed this site many times, usually when I google or bing a question. Finally said the heck with it and registered.

Thanks for allowing me to participate in the forum.

FT
 
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