First Garand Reloads, Missing Anything?

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Next time you shoot the M1...watch where the cases eject as this is a pretty good indicator of how happy the rifle is with the ammo.
I disagree. It only indicates how strong the ejector spring is. Weak springs don't eject the empty until the bolt's all the way back and started forward. Strong springs eject the empty as soon as its mouth clears the breech.

If it's throwing them forward at 1-2:00...they're fine.
I agree.

Back in 1969, when I drew a dozen 7.62 NATO Garands from the USN Small Arms Match Conditioning Unit for issue to members of a major USN command's rifle team, I asked the shop manager if they had been ejection tuned. He said no, but to stop by the ammo room and get a couple bandoliers of clipped M80 ball ammo then do it myself. The next day at the Unit's rifle range, I and another team member began tuning them.

Loaded an 8-round clip then with the rifle butt in the crook of a leg above the thigh and held normally upright, shot all 8 rounds watching how they ejected then tuned them as follows:

* Rifles ejecting empties back to the 5 and 6 o'clock position had 2 or 3 coils of their ejector springs cut off, then retested. They usually ejected out at 1 to 2 after that.

* M1's ejecting empties back to the 3 and 4 o'clock position had 1 or 2 coils cut off their ejector springs.

* Garands ejecting fired cases to the 1 and 2 o'clock were left as is.

* A few ejected empties straight forward and those had their very weak ejector springs replaced, then retested.

These rifles shot all ammo such that their empties went out between 1 and 2 o'clock. That includes M80 ball and M118 match ammo with 50,000 cup pressure, long range loads with 190's having about 55,000 CUP and our "Mexican Match" ammo which was M80 ammo loaded with 41 grains of IMR4475 stick powder whose 147-gr bullets were replaced with 168 Sierras that had almost proof load pressures at about 63,000 cup. Proof loads were 67,500 cup with the same case, primer and powder charge but a 172-gr bullet.

I learned about this a couple of years earlier when the Garand I was issued put empties under the bill of my ball cap I wore and bounced them off my fore head. A couple came to rest on the bridge of my shooting glasses; burned my fore head pretty bad. The 'smith at the range handed me a combination tool to get the ejector spring out and a pair of diagonol cutters to cut coils off the spring. He said to make empties go out at 1 to 2 o'clock so they don't bounce of the shooter to my right and stay behind the firing line so they could be picked up safely.
 
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When the Garand was developed from the mid 1920's to late 1930's, the arsenal 30 caliber M1 round had a 172-gr FMJBT bullet atop IMR1185 powder. That's what was used in the M1903 Springfield starting in the mid 1920's. Closest equivalent today is IMR4064.

While IMR4895 (first known as 1909 Military or Pyro DG) was used in the original 30-06 in 1906 with 150-gr bullets, it proved to fast for best accuracy testing 172-gr FMJBT bullets at Daytona Beach, FL in the early 1920's. When the 150-gr bullet replaced the 172 around 1940 in the US 30 caliber M2 round, IMR4895 was under it. Why IMR4895 was later used in the M72 30-06 match ammo with 172-gr. bullets is not well known to me. I've thought for years that it was used because it metered more consistent than IMR4064. But recent information I've found may show that a greater spread in metered charge weights of IMR4064 compared to IMR4895 may well be a better choice.

From another site:
Today, IMR 4064 is the IMR powder closest to the old IMR 1185, with grains 0.031"×0.083", and a 6.5% DNT coating. I have found it very forgiving of packing density changes. More so than IMR 4895, which has a 0.032"×0.056" grain with 5.5% DNT coating. The differences taken from an experiment published by Dave Milosovich in the Precision Shooting Reloading Guide (Precision Shooting Pub. 1995, p.102). You can see that changes in IMR 4064 charge weight (horizontal axis) produce smaller changes in velocity (vertical axis) than the same changes in IMR 4895 charge weights do. This tells me the IMR 4064 burn rate is less sensitive to changes in temperature and pressure of the two. That should be good not only from the standpoint of being more forgiving of charge weight error, but also of temperature change. This implies better ambient temperature immunity as well. IMR 4064 enjoys a reputation for having an accuracy edge over IMR 4895 in .30 Cal match loads and was used in the original Federal Gold Medal Match .308 loading with the 168 grain MatchKing. I suspect this behavior is why.

Read pages 385 through 394 for interesting info on most accurate 30-06 ammo near a hundred years ago as well as what was used in WW2 in the following link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=yESNUKSg5aMC&pg=PA387&lpg=PA387&dq=hatcher+IMR1185&source=bl&ots=ABCvZD3y6o&sig=P2Weyf8S442TnudrxkX6qbfSpOQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPxOLr0KPQAhXJg1QKHXW2CHsQ6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=hatcher IMR1185&f=false

The "figure of merit" number in the tables is the average of the maximum horizontal group spread and the maximum vertical group spread. Extreme spreads will be larger; sometimes 2X or more as large.
 
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Well, I loaded up 16 more rounds. Same powder charge, but seated to 3.25" and didn't crimp them. I should have a range report on Friday!
 
Well, I loaded up 16 more rounds. Same powder charge, but seated to 3.25" and didn't crimp them. I should have a range report on Friday!
I know old old thread, but I find myself in the same boat as you were...so what did you find going longer on the OAL?
 
They worked just fine. Really didn't have anything to compare it to, but function was great.
Thanks for the info. Ended up with 150gr fmj but they have a cannelure so the 3.185 oal puts them seated just at the bottom of the cannelure. Would like to find some with out a cannelure so I can go longer on the oal.
 
You can simply ignore the cannelure and crimp is unnecessary.

For better accuracy use the 155gr A-max at 3.330"oal.
It's under 2moa through both of my Garands.
(One has a match grade barrel circa late '80's, other a CMP Special with Criterion barrel circa 2015).
I can't discern a difference in accuracy between H, IMR4895, or IMR4064.
 
I think it is VERY important to know your garands chamber headspace dimensions for proper resizing..I like the rcbs case mic gauge-you take a fired case from your rifle and measure it to see how much your brass "blows out" or expands to fit chamber when fired. Yow can now adjust your sizing die to set back the shoulder .003 or so for proper feeding and not "overworking" the brass needlessly.(setting the shoulder back too far).This prolongs case life and helps prevent case head separation. My garand blows the brass out to .007 over zero spec.,my buddys blows out to .010+ ( this was ok'd by a cmp armorer as not excessive by the way?. )My light accuracy loads ( 44gr Imr 4895) wont cycle his rifle 100% also,FTF. These guns can be touchy this way.
 
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