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First Pistol

Which One


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i am gonna have to say the xd. i have 2 and i love em and i will have more. i am not a fan of the beretta 92 as a whole, i don't like da/sa guns, and the 92 just dosen't fit me well.

the only advantage that you would have with the 9mm is the lower cost of ammo, but other than that i can see no reason to take the 92 over the beretta, and if 9mm is what you want that is an easy fix too, xd's can be found and had in 9mm all day long.
 
The XD series are terrific guns, reliable, accurate, easy to disassemble and reassemble for cleaning, and decent sights. I recently bought my second one (an XD-9).

And they're not that hard to conceal IF you're willing to either dress around it or to wear something like a Jagwear belt pouch holster. (Assuming we're talking about nothing larger than the 4" service model.)

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I didn't vote because I wouldnt tell anyone to get either of them. I carried an M9 when I was sailing, I will never carry one again. They aren't bad just not my thing. Never liked the XD much just something about them. I have a Glock 22 it isn't the best but I like it better than the two listed for the poll. I really like the M&P it feels really good, if they get some more aftermarket following I might get one. As far as caliber if you don't reload I would say 9mm hands down.
 
As far as CCW, it depends on what state you live in.

Not knowing what your experience with handguns is, this is kinda hard to answer. I'm not much of a semiauto for your first pistol kind of guy. Call me old fashioned I guess, but I've seen plenty of younger guys with the newest wonder whizbang who can't hit paper at 15 yards.

If you've done much handgun shooting in the past, you can't go wrong with a good Smith or Ruger revolver in .357 Magnum. Work on the fundamentals with .38's, graduate to .357 Magnum loads then go looking for a semiauto. There's a boatload of Model 65s, 10s and Ruger GP100's and all the Sixes running around new and used right now, traded in for the newest wonder whizbang.

If you're completely new to shooting handguns, I'd strongly recommend the above again or else a .22 to get you started. Work on the fundamentals and being able to hit your target. I've seen some Smith 22A's at some of the big outdoor stores for fantastic prices.

I'm not trying to belittle your choices or curb your enthusiasm, IMHO both guns would be great choices for CCW. I just like to see folks hit something other than the target frames and the range.
 
Ive never had a Berreta , but I love both my XD's.... :)
If i went XD45 id get the compact model.... with the interchangeable mags its easy to conceal with the short mag, or feels just like the full size gun with the extended high cap mag.
 
I chose the XD because for a first gun it is rugged, dependable, and comfortable to use. Its forgiving with ammo choices and has the multiple safeties I'm also more of a 45 fan than 9mm. Thats strange considering how much I like 38 revolvers.
 
I am pretty familiar with both these guns shot about 200-300 rds from each gun
 
Doesn't it amaze you how such a old and long established American firearms company like Springfield is making such a big hit in the pistol market with a gun made in a former Eastern Block nation? The XD is without a doubt an extremely popular handgun, and with good reason.
 
well that is why i put this up because i have decided on one of these 2 and it seems that the XD will win. Though there are a lot of M9 votes as well they just dont seem to have a reason since there are no posts really saying that it is better than XD
 
As so many have said, both are too big and heavy for convenient CCW. As range or house guns both are great, and you wouldn't go wrong with either. But I would think about an XD9 as cheaper to shoot and slightly more realistic to CCW. Still big for concealment, but not as bad. The Beretta 92 is one of the biggest regular handguns anyone makes (i.e. besides Desert Eagle, Automag, Wildey...).

Unless price is no issue, I might consider some other options like a Ruger P95 or a CZ-75/85/RAMI, or dozens of other good guns out there... all in 9mm as my suggestion for you.
 
well my thing is i want it to be an everything gun for now as i am going to iraq here soon and dont want to spend boatloads of $$$ getting multiple handguns to fill each different need.
 
For concealed carry, the XD wins hands down. The Beretta is just too bulky for concealed carry. I strongly recommend the XD Compact .45 ACP.

XD Compact

Overall Length: 7.3"
Barrel Length: 4.0"
Height: 5.0"
Weight: 29 ounces
Width: 1.25"

Beretta 92F

Length: 8.5"
Barrel Length: 4.9"
Height: 5.4"
Weight: 34.4 ounces
Width: 1.5"
 
MN Carry Laws

Here's a paste from usacarry.com about MN (but a more authoritative place is here: http://www.dps.state.mn.us/bca/CJIS/Documents/CarryPermit/permittocarry.html:

(as an aside, both your listed choices are great guns, but both are HUGE for CCW as others have said - Sig P239?...)

Concealed Permit:
Shall Issue to Residents and Non-Residents

Issuing Authority:
The issuing authority is the local chief of police or the county sheriff. Non-residents may apply to any Minnesota county sheriff.

Out Of State Permit Issue:
Yes

NICS check:
Yes

Permit Valid For:
New and renewal permits are valid for five (5) years from the date of issuance. Emergency permits are valid for 30 days.

Permit ISsued Timeline:
The county sheriff must either issue or deny a permit within 30 days of the application date.

Cost:
The fee for a new permit to carry will be determined by the county sheriff, not to exceed $100. A fee for a renewal permit (applied for before the expiration date of a current permit to carry) will be determined by the county sheriff, not to exceed $75. An additional $10.00 fee will be charged for those applying for a renewal after the expiration date on the previous permit, but within 30 days of that expiration date.

Requirements:
1. Must be at least 21 years of age
2. Must complete an application form
3. Must not be prohibited from possessing a firearm under Minnesota Statute 624.714
4. Must not be listed in the criminal gang investigation system
5. Must be a resident of the county from which you are requesting a permit, if you reside in Minnesota. Non-residents may apply to any Minnesota county sheriff.
6. Must provide certificate of completed authorized firearms training. Training by a certified instructor and completed within one year of an original or renewal application. (624.714, Subd. 2a)


Required Documents:
1. Completed application
2. Copy of your training certificate
3. Cop0y of your driver's license
4. State ID Card or Passport photo
5. Application Fee

Renewal Information:
Permits must be renewed at the county sheriff’s office in the county where the applicant currently resides. Out of state permit holders can renew at any sheriff’s office. Not prior to 90 days of the expiration date of the current permit. The maximum renewal gun permit fee will be $75.00.

After the expiration date, but within 30 days after the expiration, you can renew your permit by paying an additional late fee of $10.00. During this time your past permit is not valid, and you will not be able to carry until your renewal permit has been approved and issued.

31 days after expiration, you will no longer be able to renew your permit, but will have to apply for a new gun permit. The maximum gun permit fee will then be $100.00.

1. Take an authorized firearms training class within one year or your renewal application.
2. Deliver the application packet, not prior to 90 days of the expiration date of the current permit, in person to the Sheriff’s Department in the county where you currently reside, or for out of state permit holders, to any Sheriff’s Department in the State of Minnesota.
3. The packet must contain a completed application, signed and dated http://www.dps.state.mn.us/bca/Forms/Documents/CarryApplication100106.pdf with the renewal box checked and an original certificate of completed authorized firearms training. You must present a current drivers license, state identification card or the photo page of your passport (not a US citizen but permanent resident must present an I-551 or I-151 card).

Change of Address:
A permit holder is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor.

Informing Law Enforcement of Carry:
Upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.

Automobile carry:
Transporting firearms without a permit requires the person to have the firearm unloaded and fully enclosed in a case made to contain a firearm. For full details on transporting firearms, refer to Minnesota Statute 97B.045, Transportation of Firearms.

Places off-limits when carrying:
1. School property
2. A childcare center while children are present
3. Public colleges and universities – may have policy restricting the carrying of weapons on their premises by employees and students while on campus
4. Private establishments that have posted a sign banning guns on their premises
5. Private establishments who have personally informed the permit holder that guns are prohibited and demands compliance
6. Places of employment, public or private, if employer restricts the carry or possession of firearms by is employees
7. State correctional facilities or state hospitals and grounds (MN Statute 243.55)
8. Any jail, lockup or correctional facility (MN Statute 641.165)
9. Courthouse complexes, unless the sheriff is notified (MN Statute 609.66)
10. Offices and courtrooms of the Minnesota Supreme Court and Court of Appeals
11. Any state building unless the commissioner of public safety is notified (MN Statute 609.66)
12. In a field while hunting big game by archery, except when hunting bear (MN Statute 97B.211)
13. In federal court facilities or other federal facilities (Title 18 U.S.C.§ 930)

Alcohol and Drugs:
Waiting For Information. As always, alcohol/drugs don't mix with firearms. That's a pretty simple rule of thumb.

Deadly Force / Castle Doctrine:
Minnesota is a Castle Doctrine state and does have a stand-your-ground law.



Open Carry:
Prohibited in all public areas unless one possesses a recognized permit.

Localities with Varying Laws:

Forms & Links:
Application
NRA-ILA: Minnesota Gun Laws
 
I'm very familiar with both of them. I currenly own a 92F. I would have to say "none of the above". For concealed carry, both of those choices are too big and too thick. concealed carry requires a single stack magazine and a thinner slide. That means a 1911 colt.
 
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