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Hello all, I am a happy gun owner who looking at getting another rifle...

(Currently own a sporterized M44 Mosin Nagant Rifle, a CZ 550 in 6.5 x55 swede)

I was planning on holding off on any new gun purchases, but I have decided with the election coming up I really should buy a Autoloading rifle in case new powers to be try to limit them or limit citizens to dinky small magazines. This rifle will be used for Self-defense and survival rifle and a plinker/range shooter.

I don't have $1500 to spend on a AR-15, so that is is out of the question.

I would prefer to spend $600-$800 as that is what my budget allows. I know the Mini-14 and AR-18 are in this price range. I was wondering what other rifles would be in this range and any personal experinces with the rifles.

Thanks! :D
 
You can build an AR for less than your budget allows. You'll just have to shop wisely, and you won't be able to afford the highest cost items to go into it. That said, an AR is a rifle you can upgrade almost infinitely later on. A Mini 14... not so much. AR's are supposed to be more inherently accurate than Mini's also.

Also, by building your own, you'll be saving the 11% federal tax that goes on complete firearms.
 
As already mentioned, a bare bones AR would be a good possibility. With that, you could upgrade/improve as the budget allows later. Or you could look at some of the AK47 offerings. If certain firearms are banned after the election, I would bet that the AK's will be on that list of diallowed guns.
 
I wan't on a budget or anything, but I bought myself a WASR-10 hi-cap AK clone.

Bottom of the barrel for an AK most say. However my WASR has preformed perfectly, reliable and reasonably accurate, plus cost $329 on sale. I've seen them cheaper than that, although the prices have gone up lately.
 
For $800 you can easily get a FAL and a bit of ammo. Personally, I dislike the AR because of caliber. An AK of any sort is also a good purchase, the new Vz-58, a CETME/G3/HK91 of some type, or a full-power autoloader like a MAS-49/56, FN-49, SVT-40, PSL/FPK/SSG-97, Garand, or other rifles of that flavor.
 
If you are just worried about the impeding election and want the "rifle" before then, just go out a purchase an AR lower receiver. They can be had for around $130 and they are the only part of the AR15 thats actually considered to be a "gun". You can assemble the rest of the parts to put it together at your leisure and have them shipped to your door.
 
Hey Jackel, that sounds like a concept worth looking at, as it allows me to build it up as time and money allows :)

So now to the next group of questions...

I know the stripped recivers are ~$130, but does anyone know of a good buy for a lower reciver that is assembled? I don't even know who the brand names for AR-15 parts other then Armalite and Bushmaster. I know I am asking a lot of questions for someone new the fourm - Sorry about that. :eek:
 
You should be able to get an assembled, complete lower for around $300, I would imagine. Too bad your not in my area, I'd assemble one for you if you share some beer.:D
 
you can get a semi auto .308 remington at buds for $595, true it is a 4+1 but it is a semi :)

As for the OP, sound like an AR is what you need and you can have one for as cheap as $600. Delton can hook you up with everything you need and if you want somethign more then .223 later you can get 6.8spc, 6.5 grendal, 50 beowolf or a few dozen other chamberings.

You can get a stripped lower for $100 at any gunshow. The parts kit is about $55 and a cost effective collapsiable stock is $45. Figure with shipping you will spend $215 on a complete lower and assembly only takes 45mins while watching tv. Conversely Anvil Arms has a good looking lower with six postion stock and all the part installed for $250
 
Hey Jackel, that sounds like a concept worth looking at, as it allows me to build it up as time and money allows

So now to the next group of questions...

I know the stripped recivers are ~$130, but does anyone know of a good buy for a lower reciver that is assembled? I don't even know who the brand names for AR-15 parts other then Armalite and Bushmaster. I know I am asking a lot of questions for someone new the fourm - Sorry about that.
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there are many sources but i would recommend a CMMG lower from Aimsurplus.com or a Spike's Tactical Lower

Spike's Tactical
http://spikestactical.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=41_23

CMMG
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Receivers.html

and some others with good pricce too
http://www.lonestarwholesale.com/2.html

edit: Once you get your stripped lower go to http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm and get a complete KIT shipped to your door.
 
Now here is the dumb questions of dumb questions....

Outside of a Lower, Grip, Stock, and Upper (with Barrel) what else do you need to build a AR-15? (and tools of course)
 
Thanks all!

I think next month I will be picking up a AR-15 lower that is assembled and perhaps with the stock attached. Will buy the bolt and upper later on when time and money permits. This gives me enough time to look over options to see what is the best deal.
 
The good thing about AR15's right now is, yes they are pricey rifles, but the magazines for them are inexpensive and plentiful right now.

I remember when you could buy 7.62X39 AK mags at gun shows for $5 or even less! Now they tend to be $15 - $25.

5.56 AR15 mags? Right now you can get them from 44mag.com or bravocompanyusa.com for about $10 - $13 (and I mean the good stuff too; NHMTG, D&H, and C-Products). Even the pricier AR15 mags, such as PMAG's are about $14 - $16 now. Needless to say I am stocking up while I can.

AR's are more complex compared to an AK (what isn't?), but they're really not hard to strip and reassemble for routine cleaning & maintenance once you get to know them.

You might want to ask to shoot a friend's AR's first to see what length AR you need. The carbines are all the rage today but they're not for everyone. I grew up shooting Dad's old full length A1 Colt and I still prefer a full length AR to the carbines. 20" barrels feel unwieldy to others and they prefer carbines.

Full length AR - better velocity (and accuracy IMO) - better for longer range targets.

Carbine AR - more agile and faster handling - better for thickets and close quarters (read: 'urban environment' if you're thinking of a worst case scenario)

Both should be just fine within 300 yards of the target.

Either will do the job just fine if you know how to use it.

So if you can, try before you buy so you get exactly what you like.
 
I'm currently in the process of building up an AR. I just ordered a stripped lower and plan on purchasing a kit from Del-Ton to complete the rifle. That way, I don't have to pay federal, or even state tax due to the fact that I'm making internet purchases.

Best of luck with your choice. An AK would also be a good choice. Why not get both?
 
Thanks Tactical Ninja, now I am going to be drooling over all the options on building out the rifle.

Heard good things from the Del-Ton, think I will buy a completed lower receiver and one of the kits, and then put it all together. I need to handle a few of them to see which size I will like. I see that these are very much customizable.
 
Thanks Tactical Ninja, now I am going to be drooling over all the options on building out the rifle.

Heard good things from the Del-Ton, think I will buy a completed lower receiver and one of the kits, and then put it all together. I need to handle a few of them to see which size I will like. I see that these are very much customizable.
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if you buy a "completed lower" like the picture bellow

a2-lower-half-big.jpg


with the LPK (Lower Parts Kit) and the Stock installed, you dont need a Del-Ton Rifle Kit, all you need is an "Complete Upper"

cmmgu1604.jpg


if you get a Stripper lower like this

cmmgl001.jpg


You will need a Del-ton KIT, because you need a LPK, Stock and trigger group.
 
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