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Fixed Blade Knife Useless?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Captains1911, Mar 21, 2013.

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  1. JShirley

    JShirley Administrator Staff Member

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    big knives...and small knives. Both have their places. I'm sure I've said at least 15x on THR that a machete/kukri/large bowie/bolo/hatchet, plus a smaller task knife is the way to go. And it is. Hey, years of posting...easy to check.

    ETA: here are some examples.
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7542713&highlight=hatchet#post7542713

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7112328&highlight=hatchet#post7112328

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6783828&highlight=hatchet#post6783828

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6469699&postcount=16

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4870599&postcount=37
     
  2. Certaindeaf

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    I had a sneaky feeling it just might.. God bless the Vikings! and Jim Bowie
     
  3. lemaymiami

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    Note to knife beginners or those that have never used a knife as a work implement, day after day.... See the picture in post #17 and note the size of the handle on each blade.... The first thing I ever look at on a knife is the handle and whether it would help or hurt if you worked with it for a few hours... Yes, the blade length, balance, shape and edge are important as well but the handles on the blades shown say it all for me.


    Fixed or folder, take your choice but think about the part that will be in your hand first....
     
  4. JShirley

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    Good point.

    You know, now that I think about it, I can look at the picture I posted...and see only 3 large knives, out of 8. Less than half. Big, small, and medium, each has its place.

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  5. Sam Cade

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    Skin? Yes.
    Seriously.

    You basically hammer the hide off.
     
  6. JShirley

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    But the question was, could an axe really skin a deer better than a knife? Doubt it. The fact that an axe can whittle has little to do with skinning.
     
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    Actually that is your question for me.

    Somehow you decided my comment that an "axe in my hands works better than a BK2" is wrong. Since skinning a deer equals survival in your eyes.

    I, in fact, reject your opinion that it is an important survival skill. Unless you believe Bear Grylls really did snare that Reindeer with paracord.

    Tree rats and bunnies need minimal cutting to be skinned. Large game is simply a fantasy in "survival". Unless you carry a rifle with you anytime you hit the woods.

    Now I respect your service to our country, and respect your position as a mod. However neither lends any more support to your opinion on this matter than mine.

    And I dare say, I KNOW what works in MY hands far better than you. And like I said in my first post....TOO EACH HIS OWN.

    Now I am done......I am not about to argue with a mod who feels his opinion on my uses/needs is right.
     
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  9. JShirley

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    Well, being a "mod", as you describe it, has nothing to do with what there is evidence to support. In a survival situation, without having to obey sporting game laws, taking big game is actually fairly easy in most of the US. At least, that is my observation from observing game in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Ohio, Washington State, and Maryland.

    You DID specify "for ME", but again, skinning is a very important survival skill. To each, his/her own, but in general, a large blade (knife or small axe/hatchet) and a smaller one is a good outdoors combination.

    John
     
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    And that is the only thing we can agree on. However you never mentioned that in your first post. Instead you chose to question my abilities with a small axe.

    In my past posts I'd like to think I have shown I am capable with an axe, SAK, and my beloved F1.

    Yours show no such demonstrations in "outdoors" usage.
     
  11. JShirley

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    Heh. Yeah, not like I've posted pictures of the heaps of brush I cut at a single time with my HI WWII model kukuri, or my review of the Camp Defender, or the recent review of the 'hawk/CD2/RTAK-2, or anything. But, carry on. :D
     
  12. Tirod

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    Most of the American frontier wasn't traversed with 1/4" survival knives. If anything, early pioneers were forced to use common imported British knives we now call the butcher pattern, and expeditions carried dozens for supply and trade with the natives. Most were thin - bendable - which was likely a better survival feature than thicker and breakable. They also carried axes and hatchets, and the weight didn't bother them.

    They didn't carry any fuel or sophisticated cook gear because they used the local wood sourced right at their feet. Most travel was by river then, trees were plentiful, and most of America was wilderness. They traveled twenty miles a day, and they cooked most nights if fresh meat was available.

    They had an assortment of knives, yes. They also used them every day, and each was well known to be better at some tasks than others. What happens in the modern translation of "What knife should I use outdoors?" is the participants get wrapped into their image - not lessons of daily living and years of experience. If the internet is guilty of one thing above all else, it's being a locker room measuring contest of who's the alpha male. And if needs be in the constantly escalating showdown in threads, we see "bigger MUST be better."

    No it is not. It's merely another choice, not a tiered hierarchy of status, and that goes to where do you stop? If a 6" blade is better than 4, then 18" is a whole bunch better, 32" is certainly another level higher, and a two handed broadsword tops.

    The basic assertion being made in most of the conversation is false. A bigger knife isn't always better, anymore than a bigger axe will do more work - cleaning squirrels? Dressing out a grouse? No.

    The OP's contention was they couldn't understand why someone would say "It's useless," when they saw it oppositely. The reality is that either knife - say a 4" camp vs a 6" - will do much of what the other can. Neither can do all, tho, and certainly not as well. It's NOT an absolute that one's personal preference is automatically SUPERIOR just because they think so. If anything, they may well be showing thru skill and use how to get around the limits in a manageable fashion - not that the results work out better. Skinning a perch with an axe is possible, skinning a buffalo with a 2" folder is also. The professional would use both, along with 3 or 4 others, too.

    It's not an either - or choice, nor does the size of the blade have anything to do with skill or social ranking. Except on the internet, where the knife you advocate is the measure of your manhood.

    Yeah, sure.
     
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    Some islanders in the south pacific use really huge coins.. they are funny like that and never even heard of the intermet. go figure
     
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    To me they are "over built", but I read accounts of people who really like the BK2 and they use them for things like chopping vegies, cutting steaks and so forth. I think people do this because they can. As has been mentioned, different strokes for different folks.

    I can understand someone who is not particularly a "knife person" saying a fixed blade is "useless" or better phrased "not for them". I bet they use fixed blades in the kitchen versus a folder? I wonder if he whips out his SAK to cut a steak in a restaurant? If he did, it would probably just be a statement against the restaurant that their knives suck. :)

    As far as the hatchet or axe thing for skinning game... well it is possible, but I would choose another tool unless I had nothing else available.

    I generally support the two or three blade approach in the woods. The individual blades choices change with personal experience and preference.
     
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    " Large game is simply a fantasy in "survival". Unless you carry a rifle with you anytime you hit the woods"

    Because of my situation, it's no fantasy for me. I do understand that finding large game may be difficult, which is why I don't rely upon that option. I'm 100% happy with the philosophy of gathering meat from small game. But in a real survival situation - I sure won't turn down the chance to get a small whitetail deer. If my family is hungry ... I'll take whatever meat is available. For this reason, being able to skin that deer is an essential activity for me. I like Bear Grylls - but he usualy finds his way out of "trouble" in a few days. People who may be in a long-term survival situation will have different priorities. So sure ... a rifle in 22WMR or a small caliber is one of my options. Not the only one though :)

    The purpose of this comment is not to be argumentative. Just to point out that "survival" will mean different things to different people.

    CA R
     
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    Can you skin a deer with it? :D
     
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    I understand the original point of the person that looked at your knife and I feel the same way. For years I carried fixed blade hunting knives but as I became more experienced I found they were not for me. I spend a lot of time hikeing and scouting which requires laying down on the ground and sliding under barbed wire fences. A fixed blade knife on your belt takes a huge beating with the handles being marred, the cases being shredded, and always the chance that the blade will be pushed into your leg. My current knife of choice is a Buck folding Hunter. I carry a small Buck single blade pocket knife in the trouser pocket all the time, 365 days a year. I am a taxidermist and when I skin animals I use a #22 scalpel with a stainless steel handle. Like I said, I understand what the person said but he should have been more diplomatic about his comment.
     
  18. Torian

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    I'm a big fan of fixed blades under 4 inches. My ESEE 3 MIL saw quite a bit of use overseas.

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    Use whatever works for you!
     
  19. CA Raider

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    Sam ... HAHAHA!
    That was funny. I didn't point out - but should explain - I always carry a knife. Quite often I have a couple of them.
    Good one :)

    CA R
     
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