I must be missing something here. I have seen several fixed x1 power scopes online lately and I am just trying to understand the thought process behind it. Isn't it the same thing as a reflex or red dot which affords you much better field of view? What am I not getting since clearly there is a market.
Fixed x1 Power Scope
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rcmodel
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Simplicity.
KISS Principal.
Wide field of view with no battery's or switches to fool with or go dead when you need them.
A 1x scope is always "On" and ready to rock & roll.
rc
KISS Principal.
Wide field of view with no battery's or switches to fool with or go dead when you need them.
A 1x scope is always "On" and ready to rock & roll.
rc
Sunray
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An optical sight will always be better than iron sights. Especially in low or poor light. No trying to focus on 3 things at once. Magnification isn't always needed either.
A 1X scope would be particularly good on a shotgun using slugs.
A 1X scope would be particularly good on a shotgun using slugs.
Just as an example, I came across this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=730101
Sunray, for my crappy eyes, a single power scope is no better than my irons. If I want to see something beyond 50 yards and have it be nice and sharp, I need magnification, it wasn't that way a few years ago, something about hitting 40, it was not a good time for the eyeball. I am not sure that any small advantage you get in terms of light gathering capability is warranted, given that the aperture is only 20mm.
RC I think your point is valid, but is it that much of an advantage over irons? As I said just now, I am not saying irons are the end all be all, especially for those of us that are visually challenged. I am just trying to figure out how looking through a 20mm tube with crosshairs in it is sufficiently better than just open sights to justify the cost and potential for problems.
Maybe I need to go and look through one to understand, but I still think that if it were me I would rather have a reflex with good BUIS in the event of failure. Maybe Saturday I will try to go to Cabela's and see if they have one I can look at.
Sunray, for my crappy eyes, a single power scope is no better than my irons. If I want to see something beyond 50 yards and have it be nice and sharp, I need magnification, it wasn't that way a few years ago, something about hitting 40, it was not a good time for the eyeball. I am not sure that any small advantage you get in terms of light gathering capability is warranted, given that the aperture is only 20mm.
RC I think your point is valid, but is it that much of an advantage over irons? As I said just now, I am not saying irons are the end all be all, especially for those of us that are visually challenged. I am just trying to figure out how looking through a 20mm tube with crosshairs in it is sufficiently better than just open sights to justify the cost and potential for problems.
Maybe I need to go and look through one to understand, but I still think that if it were me I would rather have a reflex with good BUIS in the event of failure. Maybe Saturday I will try to go to Cabela's and see if they have one I can look at.
Clipper
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As my eyes get less capable, my iron sights get harder to use quickly...So I went to peeps, which helped - For now. I know I will eventually need to scope most, if not all my guns, but I will use 1x scopes on guns like my Remington 141 pump, (and my slug gun) because I only need the crosshair, and it's my 100 yard (and usually under) woods rifle, that doesn't need magnification. Now a reflex sight may or may not be more convienient on a handgun, where weight is a consideration (I have one, but I'm still not sure how much I do or don't think of it), but I much prefer the scope over reflex or red dot sights for long guns.
arcticap
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There may still be some states that only allow 1X magnification during muzzle loader deer season (while other states may still not allow scopes at all). That 1X restriction used to be widespread during the 80's and into the 90's before the advent of modern inline muzzle loaders.
There were problems reported with using red dot scopes in cold winter weather when some of the deer seasons are scheduled. The batteries wearing out too fast if left on during hunting was a common complaint. And unless the reticle was exceptionally bright as on the higher end red dots it can be lost to view in bright sun light.
I recall mounting a 1X LER (pistol) scope scout style out on the barrel of my lighter weight traditional muzzle loader. The extra weight acted to dampen the recoil and muzzle rise of firing heavier conicals with a full powder charge.
Plus the duplex style reticle of a 1X scope does provide a higher degree of pin point accuracy than is easily possible with most red dots due to their larger MOA reticle sizes.
Even a 1X scope with a 20mm objective can have a surprisingly wide field of view for shots at moving game.
Some of the currently popular variable shotgun scopes have a low setting of 1.5X, while some of the fixed 1X scopes are actually 1.1X or 1.2X which makes the difference between them even less noticiable.
Choosing to use a 1X scope is often just a matter of personal preference.
There were problems reported with using red dot scopes in cold winter weather when some of the deer seasons are scheduled. The batteries wearing out too fast if left on during hunting was a common complaint. And unless the reticle was exceptionally bright as on the higher end red dots it can be lost to view in bright sun light.
I recall mounting a 1X LER (pistol) scope scout style out on the barrel of my lighter weight traditional muzzle loader. The extra weight acted to dampen the recoil and muzzle rise of firing heavier conicals with a full powder charge.
Plus the duplex style reticle of a 1X scope does provide a higher degree of pin point accuracy than is easily possible with most red dots due to their larger MOA reticle sizes.
Even a 1X scope with a 20mm objective can have a surprisingly wide field of view for shots at moving game.
Some of the currently popular variable shotgun scopes have a low setting of 1.5X, while some of the fixed 1X scopes are actually 1.1X or 1.2X which makes the difference between them even less noticiable.
Choosing to use a 1X scope is often just a matter of personal preference.
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I have a 1.5x scope on my rifle. I like it because I hunt in the brush and have poor eyesight.
It just makes it easier to find stuff in the woods.
It just makes it easier to find stuff in the woods.
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