"Floating the Barrel?" Newbie question
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The barrel does not touch the stock at any point forward of the lug or receiver (about) so it can vibrate freely and has no external force to influence accuracy in a negative way. A sling or bipod flexing a forearm into the barrel could be a problem or any thing that would be inconsistent are examples.
Not the same as glass bedding but often in conjunction with.
It works on some but not all rifles.
Won't help your Marlin 60 much as an example.
Not the same as glass bedding but often in conjunction with.
It works on some but not all rifles.
Won't help your Marlin 60 much as an example.
WNTFW
Thanks for the education.
I was thinking about this for a project I had in mind. I have a friend with a VERY nice 308 target rifle. His rifle is extraordinarily accurate but waaay too heavy for anything except competition shooting from a bench.
I was thinking about trying to build something comparable. Probably not quite as accurate but capable of using for deer/elk hunting as well as competition. I was looking at 30-06 for the truly vast number of loads available but I've seen something recently claiming that the .308 is a superior cartridge for accuracy. That sounds a bit "iffy" to me but the guy claimed to be able to back-up the claim with statistical data so that made me think there might be something to it. Any ideas about this?
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Testy
Thanks for the education.
I was thinking about this for a project I had in mind. I have a friend with a VERY nice 308 target rifle. His rifle is extraordinarily accurate but waaay too heavy for anything except competition shooting from a bench.
I was thinking about trying to build something comparable. Probably not quite as accurate but capable of using for deer/elk hunting as well as competition. I was looking at 30-06 for the truly vast number of loads available but I've seen something recently claiming that the .308 is a superior cartridge for accuracy. That sounds a bit "iffy" to me but the guy claimed to be able to back-up the claim with statistical data so that made me think there might be something to it. Any ideas about this?
Thanks
Testy
Testy1,
You seem to have a good attitude about shooting and are willing to accept that you are the key to accuracy.
My motto is "Don't be a gear queer". I do have some OK equip but nothing expensive. I am "balling on a budget" as the saying goes. I like the shiny objects and truth be told I would have them if I could. But the point is they don't replace basic marksmanship, decent equipment and things like wind reading.
The biggest advantage to me for a .308 is it allows you to shoot F Class T/R. A .223 is also T/R and a nice rifle. You save a little on powder & recoil, but not useful for Elk hunting.
Caliber selection for me would be based somewhat on what other rifles I have that I could crossover tools and components with.
I am not a hunter anymore. If I were I would look at ammo availability and matching what my buddies used. It's logistics.
Look at some External ballistics for .308, .30-06 and even .270. The .270 is regarded as "flat shooting", in reality not by much. Drop is the constant. Wind is the variable that will kill you as will range estimation. Go to Remington and compare the different weight bullets and see how much they swap around on numbers. .270 does not have a lot of match bullets so .30 is better in that regard.
Handloading is probably the biggest bang for the buck accuracy wise. Bullets are probably the biggest factor in terms of what will work for accuracy. Good bullets can shoot good or bad. Bad bullets only get so good. For hunting you need hunting bullets not match bullets so keep that in mind.
You seem to have a good attitude about shooting and are willing to accept that you are the key to accuracy.
My motto is "Don't be a gear queer". I do have some OK equip but nothing expensive. I am "balling on a budget" as the saying goes. I like the shiny objects and truth be told I would have them if I could. But the point is they don't replace basic marksmanship, decent equipment and things like wind reading.
The biggest advantage to me for a .308 is it allows you to shoot F Class T/R. A .223 is also T/R and a nice rifle. You save a little on powder & recoil, but not useful for Elk hunting.
Caliber selection for me would be based somewhat on what other rifles I have that I could crossover tools and components with.
I am not a hunter anymore. If I were I would look at ammo availability and matching what my buddies used. It's logistics.
Look at some External ballistics for .308, .30-06 and even .270. The .270 is regarded as "flat shooting", in reality not by much. Drop is the constant. Wind is the variable that will kill you as will range estimation. Go to Remington and compare the different weight bullets and see how much they swap around on numbers. .270 does not have a lot of match bullets so .30 is better in that regard.
Handloading is probably the biggest bang for the buck accuracy wise. Bullets are probably the biggest factor in terms of what will work for accuracy. Good bullets can shoot good or bad. Bad bullets only get so good. For hunting you need hunting bullets not match bullets so keep that in mind.
WNTFW
I appreciate the info and your time and yes, my attitude is that the shooter is a lot more important than what he's shooting as far as accuracy goes. I'm sure that most of the rifles I have are more accurate than I am and that is something I am working on and showing steady but slow improvement at. In any event, right now I simply couldn't afford to be a gear-queer. (Love that term!)
At least so far, I have no ambitions to join formal competitions. Accurate shooting is its own reward for me and a day at the range is a lot of fun regardless of how I do. It would be fun to have that as an option some day when I believe my skills warrant that kind of challenge.
I was thinking of starting small, getting an appropriate action somewhere and then waiting for a good barrel, etc etc until I had a very good hunting rifle and a decent target rifle. I'm not in any kind of a hurry and, will probably be moving soon anyway so I will miss hunting this season.
I will take a look at Remington and do some comparative ballistics shopping.
Many thanks to you
Testy
I appreciate the info and your time and yes, my attitude is that the shooter is a lot more important than what he's shooting as far as accuracy goes. I'm sure that most of the rifles I have are more accurate than I am and that is something I am working on and showing steady but slow improvement at. In any event, right now I simply couldn't afford to be a gear-queer. (Love that term!
)At least so far, I have no ambitions to join formal competitions. Accurate shooting is its own reward for me and a day at the range is a lot of fun regardless of how I do. It would be fun to have that as an option some day when I believe my skills warrant that kind of challenge.
I was thinking of starting small, getting an appropriate action somewhere and then waiting for a good barrel, etc etc until I had a very good hunting rifle and a decent target rifle. I'm not in any kind of a hurry and, will probably be moving soon anyway so I will miss hunting this season.
I will take a look at Remington and do some comparative ballistics shopping.
Many thanks to you
Testy
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