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Florida: Sun Sentinel article on Conceal Carry

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  1. don527

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    Interesting article on Sun Sentinel about Florida's Conceal Carry with interesting stats to the side. This is Part 1 of a 4 part series.

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    Investigation reveals criminal pasts of those toting guns
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    By Megan O'Matz and John Maines
    South Florida Sun-Sentinel

    January 28 2007

    Garth F. Bailey, of Pembroke Pines, pleaded no contest to manslaughter in 1988 for shooting his girlfriend in the head while she cooked breakfast. Eight years later, the state of Florida gave him a license to carry a gun.

    The complete article can be viewed at:

    www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...an28,0,3080560.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

    Visit sun-sentinel.com at http://www.sun-sentinel.com
     
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    No news here. Standard main stream media treatment of firearms.

    "Look at the criminals that are not breaking the law when they carry guns."

    If we need to worry about them they will not care if they have a permit or not. Breaking the law is what makes them criminals. Do we need to pass a law that makes it illegal to break the law?

    If they are dangerous, they should be in prison. If they are not in prison they should be allowed to carry firearms, concealed if they wish. They should not need a permission slip to excercise their RKBA any more than I should.
     
  4. Rumble

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    If I'm understanding this correctly (the article was long, and I prefer not to cloud my outrage with careful reading ;)), out of 410,000 licensess, roughly 1,400 have felony convictions? A whole 0.3%?

    Scandalous!

    I bet that if, instead of using the number 1400, they authors had said "one-third of one percent," this wouldn't seem remotely bothersome. Tricksy journalists.
     
  5. camacho

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    As I expected, while there might be some cracks in the law, the article purpose is clearly to portray the CCW as a bad idea all together. This is what the average citizen would think when reading it and this is what the people behind it hope for. It is not about fixing an otherwise good law is about getting rid of it alltogether.


    As to the individuals mentioned in the article nobody wants those people with guns but as any other law in the country there are always cracks. For this very same reason every law in the country is a bad law. There are always people who sneak in and violate the spirit of it.
     
  6. CDignition

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    Funny thing about them judges..if they withhold conviction, its like it never happened...it sounds like a Judge problem, not a gun problem
     
  7. Manedwolf

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    The Miami Herald is the better regional paper. The Sentinel has gotten infected with people who write from the "guns are icky" suburban gated community soccer-parents helpless sheep perspective.
     
  8. armedpolak

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    typical communist propaganda!!!

    Aha! That's right! Those guns just make us sheepe be more violent! I mean: Hey man you know, I'm really OK. THe gun in my hand will tell you the same. When I'm in my car, don't give me no crap, cuz this line is thin and it might just snap, AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

    COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA!!! That's all this is.

    :fire: :fire: :fire: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
     
  9. ccw9mm

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    Actually, the broad dissemination of firearms amongst citizens is much like the Whack-A-Mole game that you see at carnivals, or the Chuck E. Cheese restaurant. (You know, the game where "gophers" pop their heads out of the holes every quarter-second or so, and you try to whack 'em upside the head before they pop down the hole.) In reality, the more guns in general use and carried by law-abiding citizens, the more frequently that criminal action gets immediately stopped by people defending against such violent people ... just like Whack-A-Mole. Exactly how it should be.
     
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    What a command of human psychology! The man's a genius, I tell you!
     
  11. Rebeldon

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    Loophole? How is allowing a person without a criminal record to have a concealed weapon permit a loophole? According to Federal law, they are allowed to own firearms. Isn't it a good thing that they desire to obey the law and get a permit to carry a firearm concealed instead of carrying it without a permit?

    Hey, these people can still vote too. Perhaps the OS would like prohibit these people from voting?.
     
  12. Liberal Gun Nut

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    If people with felony convictions or other DQs are in fact slipping through the cracks in Florida's system that's bad for everyone, and that should be seriously addressed. Ok, maybe someone who had a felony record that's 50 years old might not have that record in the computers. That's fine, I can see how that could slip through, but any recent criminal records should never slip through.
     
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    That's for me to know and not you!
    So there are some cracks in the law, big deal, I'd still would rather have an armed populace than an unarmed populace, 1400 out of 410,000 not so bad in my opinion.
     
  14. camacho

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    Not to mention the dramatic increase of CCW holders after the law took effect. In Broward according to the article this number has reached 35,884. A "staggering" 2% of the total population (1,757,590) of the County. Outright scary!


    Those articles are written with the only purpose to scare people. Most people will read the article without even looking at the stats and what they really mean. The only thing they will take out of it is that the conceal carry law is bad which is the hidden agenda of those journalists.
     
  15. Rebeldon

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    These aren't people with convictions. These are people who probably should have been convicted. The problem is with the courts, not the law.
     
  16. El Tejon

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    Loophole? What loopholes? These people are NOT CONVICTED of anything!!!:fire:

    If he needed to be convicted of marijuana the prosector would not have offered the deal. This is only the legal system set in operation by those in the state legislature. To whine about the consequences now is moronic.

    "Mishmash"? What rubbish, these people follow the law and the media calls it a "loophole". Utter rubbish.:fire:
     
  17. F4GIB

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    Newspaper reports: "Florida gives gun permits to felons."

    Probably does. Every state under every permitting system does so. All human institutions are fallible. Florida's slippage rate is tiny and the Florida Division of Licensing has excellent programs in place both to keep the rate down and to revoke the permits of those who do slip through.

    1750 out of 410,000 is .00427. Or, if you prefer, 0.427 percent. That's less than 1/2 of one percent.

    So, ... there is a combined 1/2 percent error rate in state and FBI records if, and only if, identical names actually indicate identical persons in every case (which is not likely since the newspaper has no access to collaborating information).

    That's actually better than these database administrators usually claim in their own budget hearings.

    Furthermore, it is misleading to say that the number of permits has "soared" because issued permits increased at an average of 20,000 per year (.0469 or 4.7 percent). A 5% per year increase is probably less than the Florida population increase during those years. Permits are just keeping up with population.
     
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