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Some places are less friendly to firearm ownership.

Here's an example:
The FOID card was created in 1968, by the FOID Act, as a way to identify those persons eligible to possess and acquire firearms and firearm ammunition as part of a public safety initiative in the State of Illinois.
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While Derek's example is correct, Rikman's answer is damn well PERFECT!!!

Oh and FOID stands for Firearms Ownership Identification Card
 
There is no evidence that the Firearm Owners Identification Card has prevented any crime or created any decrease in crime statistics.
What it does do is take even more money from the pockets of Illinois citizens, and has caused many tie ups in the court system with people who were "apprehended" with a firearm while not in immediate possession of their gun card.

Oh, it is a felony to be in possession of a firearm in this state without a FOID card in your possession.
That means law enforcement can detain and hold you for up to 72 hours before a bail bond hearing is set.
If you were caught in or near a vehicle, they can seize and do a full vehicle search without your consent because you have presented them with probable cause that you are a bad gun toting hombre.

All because you left your FOID card on the dresser when you went hunting,,,

The FOID card is much nore than some snippy comment.
It is and always has been a direct attack on individual rights.
 
Maybe one day the United States will annex Illinois and then it's citizens will be protected by the Constitution including the 2nd amendment.
 
That is the dumbest thing I have learned about in yrs. I suppose they will try to make you add make and numbers to all your firearms and charge a hunk of change to do it. Looks like ignorance & stupidity go hand in hand. Good Luck on getting rid of it.
 
Some places are less friendly to firearm ownership.

Here's an example:
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The FOID card was created in 1968, by the FOID Act, as a way to identify those persons eligible to possess and acquire firearms and firearm ammunition as part of a public safety initiative in the State of Illinois.
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Not just Illinois; also required in New Jersey and Massachusetts (and probably a few other states as well...) :fire:
 
Not just Illinois; also required in New Jersey and Massachusetts (and probably a few other states as well...)
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Be glad you live in Arizona. We don't have anything like a FOID card, and any legislator that proposed one would be looking for a new line of work following the next election.

Many years ago I was passing through Illinois when I stopped at a gun shop. Therein I discovered a box of .25 ACP ammunition that was likely made before the First World War. It was strickly collector's stuff and not shootable. But I couldn't buy it because I was a non-resident and didn't have a FOID card. :cuss: :fire:

The dealer did offer to dump out the cartridges and sell me the empty box though. :banghead:
 
When they first implemented it, there was virtually no oversight and it was nothing more than a laughable joke. In fact, back in the first few years of the program, I knew someone that was running off fakes, and they would even pass muster with cops. There was no easy way to check their veracity. Once computers came along, another story.

Illinois is where all the folks that were headed for California ended up when they ran out of money.
 
The Illinois State Police head has consistently, no matter who it is, said that common citizens in Illinois should not be allowed to carry concealed. Yes, we cannot be trusted, us law-abiding citizens.
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The head of the Ohio Highway Patrol said the same thing. We told him to get bent, just as we told Bob Taft to get bent.
 
This thread wouldn't be complete without a mention of the latest round of Illinois FOID related idiocy: The cashier working in the establishment from which you are purchasing your ammunition must be in possession of a valid FOID in order to ring up your purchase.
 
Not Chicagoland
SH**CAGO is what we call it here in Illinois.

Most downstaters want to build a wall around it and make it a district of Illinois with no jurisdiction or legal precedence in the rest of the state.

"NEVER TRUST ANYONE who hails from Sh**cago and calls themself a POLITICIAN!!"
 
Maybe we should start a charity to help those poor victims afflicted and trapped in tyrannical regimes like those of Illinois and Chicago. Liberate the oppressed!
 
FOID card holder here. You basically need one to do anything with guns or ammo.

Firearm Owner I D card is the proper meaning. It has to be presented when handling any gun, buying or selling a gun, buying or selling ammunition.
Applies statewide and at any occasion. Gun shows, gun shops, private sales, everything.
Don't wanna be caught without one!
 
Maybe one day the United States will annex Illinois and then it's citizens will be protected by the Constitution including the 2nd amendment.
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Better fire the head of the State Police first. Don't want those policies spreading.
 
To shed a bit of historical perspective on how IL ended up with the FOID card. Not defending it, just explaining it since far too many ramble on and interject irrelevant and erroenous tales.
In 1967-68, when other states were implementing firearms registration, there was a move by some legislators to also implement registration in IL. As a compromise and to stop the registration move the legislature passed the FOID bill.
When the FOID law was passed there was also a paragraph included in the law which allows for the repeal of the FOID law when 2% of the voters petition for a revocationthen it will be placed on the ballot for the voters to decide. The reason this has never been pursued is because most people who possess a bit of political saavy understand that if the FOID revocation is passed then the legislature will take up the cause of firearm registration again.
60% of the FOID fee goes to wildlife conservation for the bunnies and birds.
Just to clarify one erroneous statement, not every ISP director was against CCW. It's not likely people even know who the current ISP director is or any of those in the past, including their backgrounds and personal positions on any issue. The director of the state police is a political appointee, appointed by the governor, just like the heads of every other state agency. Very few have had a career as an employee of the ISP. Several have been prior Asst USAs. The current acting director was an Army captain and West Point grad with no LE experience. Also, what people fail to understand is the ISP director has no vote on the issue. That's something that has to be passed by the legislature.
 
ISP2605, please name me a Director of the ISP who came out for CCW during his tenure. Monken does not publicly want CCW, at least, not that I have ever heard. None of the others in the years since 1977 when I got certified has to my memory ever advocated CCW. If they had, we might have had CCW in Illinois.

I drafted the resolution in my county for gun rights for its citizens, something that other counties did in response to Blago's talk about taking guns away.

Even Republican Governors did not want CCW. Ryan, Thompson, Edgar, never wanted it. Why? Daley controls things and he does not want it.

I know that you do not want disparaging information issued here about the ISP, but I have never heard of a Director who favored concealed carry and public stated that. While the Director has no control directly over laws being made, consider the recent brouhaha over the raising of traffic fines to be able to subsidize ISP salaries and retirement funds, from $75.00 to $120.00.
Monken was out there saying that unless the fines were raised, then bad things were going to happen for the ISP, including closing several district offices. Of course, right after the raise in fines, he was saying the opposite.
A true learned politician as a Director, sweet, just what we needed.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
There have been several directors who were personally in favor of CCW however, read my post again about the director's position. They are political appointees. As such, when a person is appointed by a political process they hold to whatever the governor appointed them. Surely if you're involved as much as you claim then you're so naive to think that a director is going to go against the party line of the person who appointed them. And surely you aren't so naive to believe that just because a particular governor has some political leanings that such leanings are followed by entire agency members. As such several who have favored CCW have remained silent. If you actually did have direct knowledge of former directors then you would have knowledge that many refused to make legislative comment concerning CCW. They knew if they'd gone public against the governor then they'd be out of a job. Again, they are political appointees and few have come up from within the ranks. Most have been attorneys.
And again, if you know anything about Monken then you'll also know that 1) he's definitely not from within the ISP ranks and 2)he's a political appointee who even the legislature has refused to confirm as a director over 1.5 yrs after he was appointed. He's the only director of an agency appointed by Quinn that the legislature has failed to confirm.
And, once again, directors of the ISP are political appointees just like the directors of every other state agency. Few come up thru the ranks. And they all have political connections.
And, once again, you're basing your knowledge from what very little you know of the ISP directors. Again, can you name others, other than Monken, and do you know what they're feelings were on any given issue? Not likely if you're giving any credence to Monken's position. If you are then you're the about the only one who does, other than Quinn.

Your last comment makes me believe you really don't understand who and how directors of any state agency is placed.
A true learned politician as a Director, sweet, just what we needed.
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Every director of every state agency is a "learned politician". How the heck do you think they got into the position of director of any agency? It's a political appointed position. If you really want to see how screwed up an agency can get then look no further than IDOT or in the past under Blago with DNR. That's when funds were openly raided and used for other purposes than was mandated by the legislature. How did it happen? Because directors are political appointees and if they don't do the call and beckoning of the director then they're out and the governor will appoint some one else who will tow his line. Those are the facts of life that many on the outside don't understand about state government.
 
Trent - keep the Foid card, no CCW
Nolen - no CCW
Gainer - political animal, now in Washington, D.C.
Margolis - showed some promise and then, no CCW
Zagel - never a cop, a prosecutor and now a Federal Judge. Did he even carry a gun?
Dan Webb - apologist for George Ryan these days, and he started so good as a federal prosecutor. You would have thought he would like the idea of an armed citizenry.
Fahner - politician and lawyer first, don't think he was ever a cop.

Well, that's the list going back to when I got out of college and got my first cop shop job. I don't recall one of these political appointees ever publicly saying they did not oppose CCW. Unfortunately, while they may be political appointees, as director of the ISP, they carry a lot of weight. It would have been nice that if there was a couple that favored CCW or repeal of the FOID card, as you say, that they would have had the balls to express that with the weight they had on the issue.

The Doc is out now. :cool:
 
Between the politics and the personal insults and the clearly off topic content, I just deleted twenty posts and issued a few infractions for good measure. Frankly, it just wasn't worth the effort to edit out the crap and try to keep the nuggets.

Keep it up, and the thread gets locked down and folks get to earn themselves a vacation from THR.

I recommend not.
 
There is a gun store in Illinois that has a white picket fence that runs down the middle of the store (that's inside the store) and divides it in half. On the left side are the guns nestled in secure display cases and ammunition behind the counter. On the right side are accessories such as cases, targets, and tactical lights. You enter into the store from the street on the right side, and are then separated from the left half of the store by the aforementioned white picket fence. If you wish to go to the left side of the store, you must go to the gate, hold your FOID card up high so the man behind the counter can see it from across the shop, and then wait to be "buzzed" through.
 
FYI, the FOID law was a near copy of NJ's FID law, which went into effect in 1966. The major diff between NJ & IL is that NJ's FID is good for life, unless you change address or enter the prohibited person category.

The short history is that permits to merely purchase/posses started in the Jim Crow south primarily as a racist thing. It spread out to NYC in the early 1900s, and then paused there until MA picked up in the mid 60's, followed shortly by NJ & IL.

Of interesting note is that MA's old FIDs were issued for life, like NJ. This was changed in the mid/late 90, when all prior FIDs were revoked en-masse by an act of legislation, in favor of a FID that must be renewed annually.

In such states, failure to renew your FID can result in unlawful possession.

Hopefully, Gura & the guys will get to fixing that.
 
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