Folding knives with striking pommels

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All things perfect a hammer fist with a closed folder between the eyes will stop someone faster than stabbing them in the chest with the blade. Electricity is automatic, hydraulic takes a little time. For this reason striking with a folder whether it is open or not is a huge part of the MCS edged weapons couse. We ar also fond of striking with the pommel of fixed blades.
 
Wonder where they got the idea for the blade catching on the pocket to open the blade..........................Ernie Emerson maybe:(
 
the idea for the blade catching on the pocket to open the blade
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predates Ernie. He simply came up with an effective means of doing it. He deserves the credit for The Wave, but the idea was around long before.
 
We want to stay as reasonably safe as possible. The endeavor to do so has many facets.

One of the things I personally consider, is that using a knife (of all darn things) defensively will automatically be considered suspect by many LEO. I'm not saying that using absolutely ANYTHING to defend yourself is incorrect, I'm just stating reality as I see it.

Now, given that fact, it just makes sense to me to choose a pocketknife that doesn't look like it was designed by mall ninjas to assassinate ninja turtles, or designed by Pashtuns to kill Hindus. So...something like the Talwar, or anything made by MOD, would be out...

Anyway, it just makes sense to be versatile. If I was forced to use a knife defensively, I'd much prefer to use it as an impact tool than a cutting edge. It's safer for a number of reasons, some of which should be obvious, and some of which some of y'all should think about.
 
IMHO do the best you can in finding a happy median between the Death Dealer 2000 Folder and a Swiss Army Knife. You have to survive the street before you can suffer the courts.
 
The back end of a Spyderco Police is reasonable pointy and would make a fine focused impact device.

Many balisongs function admirably as fistloads and/or kubotans. The Cold Steel Arc Angel has a particularly pointy punyo.
 
JShirley said:
Now, given that fact, it just makes sense to me to choose a pocketknife that doesn't look like it was designed by mall ninjas to assassinate ninja turtles, or designed by Pashtuns to kill Hindus. So...something like the Talwar, or anything made by MOD, would be out...
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I disagree. For some, there are extenuating circumstances.

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I'm pretty sure that's a Sikh, brother. Pashtuns think they are idolaters. Most of us don't think of a fixed blade that large as a "pocketknife". How exactly does that picture relate to the US potential experience of interacting with law enforcement?

I'm not saying don't carry a useful knife- I've mostly carried Spydercos for years, but I've always carried some sort of one-handed opener with clip since 1995- but there's a hell of a lot of difference between carrying something that looks like a Klingon Death Device and something that just looks like a knife you can open with one hand.
 
I saw the title of this thread, and was interested, because I was in the market for a similar knife. My thoughts were that I wanted something to carry in the car that could be used to cut seatbelts, break open the glass, and also for self-defense, as a fall back weapon when I'm not using a firearm as a CCW.

I purchased a Boker Jim Wagner plain blade, based upon things like the reinforced strike point on the pommel. I figured that this would be a great feature for breaking through window glass in order to exit a vehicle. I'll state up front that I'm not a knife expert, but there are some things about the design that just don't seem right, now that I've had the chance to really look it over. For instance, I didn't know that the blade had a chisel grind. Secondly, the curvature of the blade seems to me likely to cause problems maintaining the edge for a novice like me.

I'm adding a link to Boker's website to show the serrated blade version of the knife, since they do not have the plain blade version shown, for some reason. At this point, my inclination is to go ahead and return it and continue to look.

http://www.boker.de/us/index.php?c=3000&a=BO051&s1=wagner&s2=0&s3=999&p=&pp=0

In the meantime, I'll check into some of the designs that are mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

FWIW,

emc
 
Ohhhhewwww! You bought an ugly knife!

Allow me to quote: "Just by looking at this knife for the first time, you know it's a professional tactical tool to defend yourself." That's the problem. Knives- along with literally anything else- can be used to defend yourself...but that should NOT be the primary mission. In Georgia, in fact knives "designed for offense or defense" cannot legally be carried, despite excellent weapons laws in general.

"This knife has tactical features that no other folder has - a gladius penetrating tip, a cutting kriss curve, two blood grooves in the blade, ergonomic finger grooves with anti-slip texturing, and a Thumb Guide Slide that guides the operator's thumb to the thumb stud for immediate deployment..." BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Just what you need for covert ops in dangerous backwaters of the planet. :neener: All this and "440C high performance stainless steel, which guarantees superior edge-holding ability and corrosion resistance."

If you somehow "need" a glass breaker, the Spyderco Assist I is very sharp, well designed, has better steel, costs less, and does NOT look like it's been designed for covert deanimation activities. It looks like a rescue knife.

Peace,

John
 
Cold Steel Talwar: IS A VERY poor design. I had one for 2 days ..it was IMO dangerous. Heavy with Poor balance,VERY hard to wave,Darn near impossible to open with a thumb motion,and on and on.

The design also makes what looks like a great strikeing ball into a very hard to use item.The position is all wrong for me.All that glitters is NOT gold !

FWIW-I know how to work a knife and have very strong fingers.It was the overall design.

I have many "exotic" knives in my collection and most "exotics" are bad designs by nature... but this is the worst IMO. BTW..I like cold steel items have many going back to the urban skinner days.So this is not a Lynn bash just fact.

BTW..These can be found for 150.00-200.00 not the 450.00 or whatever they try to get..if you like torture buy one and try it out..they do "LOOK" cool and would be great in a display case.

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I purchased a Boker Jim Wagner plain blade, based upon things like the reinforced strike point on the pommel. I figured that this would be a great feature for breaking through window glass in order to exit a vehicle. I'll state up front that I'm not a knife expert, but there are some things about the design that just don't seem right, now that I've had the chance to really look it over. For instance, I didn't know that the blade had a chisel grind. Secondly, the curvature of the blade seems to me likely to cause problems maintaining the edge for a novice like me.
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Not trying to bash you. You brought it up and there may be other novices lurking on this thread, so it should be pointed out. When buying a knife like the Wagner Reality-Based Blade, understand that you are buying a knife that is marketed to be a fighting knife, and looks scary. There is the possibility that, even if all you ever used it for was utility, and had an occasion to use it for SD, it wouldn't be an unfair assumption that the prosecutor (or your attackers lawyer) would have a field day with the advertising alone for that knife. Do a search on some of the knife forum and you'll find that it isn't very popular for mainly those reasons. Too bad to, because I like the design, and would probably have gotten one.
 
I just wonder whose reality the knife is based on. For the love of all things holy it has a mark on the blade so you know how far you have to stab it into someone to cause shock. A knife created to be both a folding rescue tool and a SD knife is destined to do neither well.
 
"For the love of all things holy it has a mark on the blade so you know how far you have to stab it into someone to cause shock".


Really ???? thats 100% INSANE ...who the hell is into any thing like that....I am confused as to what a persons mindset would be if they knew it had that... errr feature and thought it had a use ?

I can see boker doing it to sell but to who ???:banghead:

My knives have a depth mark also as far as stabing depth, its called... the pommel.:evil:
 
I don't care for a specific "striking pommel" but I always want an inch or so under the grip for that use. Versatility is the key, if you don't have a good impact area to use you give up 50% of the striking possibilities leaving just "pointy" end.

Anyway, I figure my odds of using a knife in SD are more remote than a gun. If things happen up close and fast, no time to grab and deploy it, if they happen at a distance, I'll get my projectile weapon out.

I carry an Emerson "Mach 1"...yeah it's black and kinda scary looking...OTOH, it isn't made by "MOD", doesn't have any specific knife fighting features per se (blade design is fairly standard) and isn't called "SpecWar, Ninja, Fighting" anything. It has a deep finger groove near the blade that serves to keep my fingers off the blade with a forceful thrust and enough pommel to do some damage...to all the boxes I open with it.:neener::D

Edit to add: Yeah the Wagner knife looks scary and might (very big "might") add to ones SD legal troubles...the one thing it does have that I love and sets it apart is the "pen tip" pommel option. This makes the big, scary, gladius-inspired-point, depth mark, knife ironically completely unassuming in ones pocket.
 
First, thanks to John and Richard and those who replied to my post! And yes, John, I agree that Boker's ad copy for the Wagner knife is pretty hilarious. Reads like something Tackleberry would have said from the Police Academy movies. Kind of interesting to think that someone was actually PAID to write that! Hmmmm........

At any rate, I've done a little more looking around, and there seem to be some models from Spyderco (Delica, Adventura, Robin) or SOG (Bi-Polar) that might be good bets for what I am looking for.

Thanks, guys!

emc
 
Way back in the day, when the Al Mar SERE folder was first marketed, I liked the way it was big enough to apply loving feelings to those were not hugged enough as children. I like today's Strider AR folder for the same reason, among others, and I do EDC an AR.
 
Hey Mercop.
I like my Benchmade Skirmish. For me and my hand size it make a pretty effective hammer-fist load while still being quite secure in my hand. I just picked up the Benchmade 710 D2 which is less agressive on the pommel end. I'll take a look at the AFCK the next time the knife-buying urge overwhelms me......though I am kinda holding out for the new Beckers. :D
 
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