FOLLOW THE YELLOWBRICK ROAD - aka the NAFTA Super Highway

[Thefabulousfink]

Well Art, in the last 6 months the cost of shipping (full truckloads) has risen roughly 30%. I think if something is not done soon, freight might go back to being moved by rail. If gas prices continue to rise, I dont think that trucks will have the cost/efficency advantage over trains for much longer.

That would ease the stress on the highways a little.

 

[Art Eatman]

Trucks haul stuff where railroads aren't, among other variables. Another factor which keeps semis viable is the turnaround time for loading and unloading of break-bullk cargo.

If you can fill a container, and there's no particular hurry, trains do the job. If is's pallets of break-bulk, and there's any sort of time factor, semis.

What hasn't hit, yet, as much as it will, is extra consumer costs due to fuel costs. Some, yeah, on the more local level. UPS, for instance, has raised it's fuel add-on, I forget their specific term.

Back to "corridors" for a moment: I've read that semis crossing into the US at Laredo for I-35 north are at some 30,000 per day.

Economic shifts with technology: The Port of Galveston used to make a bunch of income from warehousing cotton for export. With the advent of containers, and the import of stuff from Asia, the railroads gave good prices to ship cotton via container to the west coast. Better that the containers not be sent back empty. So, no more warehousing in Galveston.

I dunno. If you look at the growth in tonnage numbers over the last twenty or so years, you wonder who's buying all that stuff. Obviously, of course, it's all of us. And it's gotta get shipped and folks ain't happy with slow shipments or with traffic congestion and driving hazards.

TANSTAAFL...

Art

 

[longeyes]

The rock-and-a-hard-place part of the deal is that you can't have a more efficient transportation system and free-ish trade without having more opportunities for illegal entry and for terrorism.

We need new infrastruture, new energy facilities, new transportation systems. Do we have any of that? We can build a superhighway to benefit China and Mexico, but where is the national highspeed railway system that might trim a lot of our energy usage? Where is the new generation of fuel-efficient trucks? Are we waiting for Toyota to build those for us?

A nation that becomes "consumer-driven" while losing its manufacturing base has a problem. That same nation, with the world's most powerful military, is likely to turn its frustrations outward.

 

[Joey2]

The bottom line is we have lost our souvernity. A meeting took place in Crawford, Tx. Bush, Fox and the PM of Canada.

The South-North route is financed by Spain and managed by Spain. The rest of the corridor I don't know.

American truckers have ceased to exist. Our national soverignty has ceased to exist.

Comming soon will be world government. The UN is testing the wates on 4Julkk06 with disarmament of the US.

All of the dots connect to the distruction of the US. Planned years ago and comming to

 

[longeyes]

No, I think we 're just at the beginning of this story, not the end. Many surprises ahead of us. The American people are beginning to wake up, not all but enough. And the boys will be coming home soon. It's a long way to 2008, a very long way.

 

[Biker]

Man, this new highway is gonna create a lot of new jobs I imagine. Take ten, maybe twenty or more years to build. I can now fully understand why Bush is pressing so hard to give 20 million illegals amnesty. I mean, under his guest worker program, an illegal works here for six years, he's a citizen.
I'm not sure that I've ever used the word "diabolical" before, but that's the only word that I can think of to describe this plan.

Folks, if you've never contacted a politician before, now's the time. I'm not sure if it's too late or not, but it rasps the soul to give up without a fight. I'm not much of a cheerleader, but if you *ever* loved this country, fight for it now. Tomorrow may be too late.

Biker

 

[Waitone]

Bush does nothing on illegal immigration for 5 years. Then suddenly the CFR puts out a plan for north american unification. Thereabouts we see trilateral meetings where all kinds of promises are made. Then we see mysterous govt website spring up talking about security and prosperity agreements and working groups. We have no legislative authority cited but we have all kinds governmental activities. Now our attention is directed to a long planned super transportation corridor This thing has been on the works for a long time.

This site has lots of pictures and information
http://www.nascocorridor.com/
Gotta hand it to 'em, they plan big.

US national sovereignty is decidedly in play.

 

[longeyes]

Was that nascocorridor or narcocorridor?

It feels these days as if The Invisible Hand has America by the throat.

 

[Biker]

My God, the implications are staggering. Look at that map. How did they manage to keep it quiet so long? The media has to be complicit in this. It's a huge story.

Biker

 

[longeyes]

What is staggering is that this could be underway in the post-9/11 era--without pulbic exposure and debate.

But not one major media story, not one direct question at a press conference. Bush would be doing a fumble-and-mumble job trying to explain and justify this one. Of course I realize this is to benefit "our friends" to the south and provide jobs for the new "hard-working moms and dads" he wants us to absorb.

Why do we need to use MEXICAN PORTS to facilitate the transportation of CHINESE goods? What happened to our American ports and our American port workers? What happened to our American truckers? This project encompasses everything that the dark side of globalism is accused of.

This isn't economic progress, it's a way of mainlining consumerism while destroying American sovereignty and labor rights.

If we don't get the word out and stop this, we are done.

 

[Biker]

Well, this is a start Longeyes, but the project is due to start next year. The chances of derailing this nation killer are slim to none, and I'm afraid that slim just left town. Gotta try. I'm starting today by notifying the local media. Maybe all the Limbaugh fans can try to get through on his show, but I've no doubt that he's aware of it already and is turning a blind eye to the story.
Other ideas?

Biker

 

[Waitone]

Gordon Liddy at this moment has on his show Jerome Corsi, Jim Gilchrist, and Tom Tancredo talking about Bush's north american union.

Get at it through Liddy's website.

 

[ebd10]

Why do we need to use MEXICAN PORTS to facilitate the transportation of CHINESE goods? What happened to our American ports and our American port workers? What happened to our American truckers?

What happened was that the cost of paying the Longshoremen's Union and the Teamsters drove the prices of transportation above what can be competitive. The intractibility of the union reps, combined with the availability of cheap labor caused the big corporations to look elsewhere for a solution. Remember, the CEO's across this nation are loyal only to money. They figure that if we get nuked or end up on the wrong end of a bio-weapon, it won't effect them, just the great unwashed that stand between them and the money and power they wish to accumulate.

 

[Biker]

Thanks Waitone. I'll check it out.

Biker

 

[Roadwild17]

This make me sick

 

[wingman]

Remember, the CEO's across this nation are loyal only to money. They figure that if we get nuked or end up on the wrong end of a bio-weapon, it won't effect them, just the great unwashed that stand between them and the money and power they wish to accumulate.

I believe that statement sums it up.

 

[longeyes]

What happened was that the cost of paying the Longshoremen's Union and the Teamsters drove the prices of transportation above what can be competitive. The intractibility of the union reps, combined with the availability of cheap labor caused the big corporations to look elsewhere for a solution. Remember, the CEO's across this nation are loyal only to money. They figure that if we get nuked or end up on the wrong end of a bio-weapon, it won't effect them, just the great unwashed that stand between them and the money and power they wish to accumulate.

Competitive with whom exactly? I hold no brief for unchecked unionism but this is a "solution" that is no solution at all, just a knife through the heart of American sovereignty, citizenship, and the rights of the American worker.

Somehow, in the last decade or two, capitalism morphed from an engine of progress to a cancer. That may be the result of the transformation of business priorities from local to international. At the same time that we have seen a healthy explosion of entrepreneurism, the real background to that story has been the triumph of the huge trans-national corporations.

I've said this before: at this point in our national history what we have to sell, above anything else, is our consumer market. If we don't take advantage of that and turn it to our advantage, if we don't use our ability to exploit that to change our situation while we still can, we will end as a second- or third-rate power. And it won't take that long.

 

[Sindawe]

How did they manage to keep it quiet so long? The media has to be complicit in this.

The Balkans.
Athletes & Roid Rage.
Dayton Peace.
Cigars & stained dresses.
Survivor.
Impeachment.
Hanging chads.
Tax cuts "for the rich".
9-11-01.
Osama & Afghanistan.
Plastic sheets & Duct tape.
Iraq.
Wardrobe Malfunctions.

No conspiracy or complicity needed. Just a habit of "Instant News" and short attention spans. Trade corridors and N.A. Union? "Bhaaa, thats just delusions of the Black Helicopter crowd. Anyways, MAN did I take a bath in the market last week, how are your inv..."

 

[Thefabulousfink]

I am curious what the Minutemen and other like minded residents of border states will say when they wake up and find a super highway runing through where Bush had promissed them a fence? If this issue doesn't have more public debate and input before they try and implement it, Bush is going to see protests that will make the immigration ones look like a tea party.

Biker called this a "Nation Killer" and I think he's right. Not only could this project massively disrupt our curent economy, it might be the issue that further divides the American people and possibly spark a civil war. Americans have become more polarized of late, and while I don't think that we are beyond healing yet, a massive decisive issue like this could fracture us.

I just pray that before this project begins, there is some kind of national discourse. People are allready wary of this administration being shady and underhanded.

 

[longeyes]

ADD Nation

We have managed, through media inundation, and probably by design, to create an entire culture afflicted by Attention Deficit Disorder. Too many stimuli, too short attention span. Everything is given the same weight, its 30 seconds or one minute--and then we move on. That, at least, is the delusional state all too many Americans live in.

I've run this story by a number of my friends, across the political spectrum, and have been underwhelmed by their concern or interest. Either they don't care or they think there's nothing they can do.

You can't run or keep a Republic that way.

 

[longeyes]

Biker called this a "Nation Killer" and I think he's right. Not only could this project massively disrupt our curent economy, it might be the issue that further divides the American people and possibly spark a civil war. Americans have become more polarized of late, and while I don't think that we are beyond healing yet, a massive decisive issue like this could fracture us.

The illegal alien problem has been a stealth nation-killer; this is going to be right out in the open and huge, an overt national program of cultural self-destruction. Does it have the potential to spark upheaval? It does. And this may be exactly why it is being kept quiet until it is already underway and "too late to do anything about." As we've heard you "can't deport 11 million people;" next year we will hear "you can't stop a massive multi-billion dollar 'public works' project."

 

[Waitone]

When congress finally decided to take up illegal immigration I said to whoever cares that illegal immigration debate would open up other issues for view and debate. At the time I was specifically refering to the issue of national sovereignty in an ultimate sense. I knew CAFTA passed only because spinelessrepublicans kept the vote open long after it expired to twist arms until they got the one vote they needed. What I didn't understand was why CAFTA was so important. According to Corsi the masters needed CAFTA as the second step in a three step process to accomplish economic union. NAFTA, CAFTA, and finally FTAA. Looks to me like Bush is implementing the bureaucratic integration off the books and with no legislative authority. Listening to Liddy now, Tancredo claims no one in congress is aware of what is happening. Maybe on the house side that is true, but looking at the senate's version of immigration reform it looks like at least 2/3's of the senate is well aware of north american union. Is it coincidental senate legislation permits the importation of 70+ million immgrants? Seems to me a lot of wierd stuff can be explained by looking at them through the glasses of north american union.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

next year we will hear "you can't stop a massive multi-billion dollar 'public works' project."

You can stop a multi-billion dollar public works project, it just involves using tactics that shouldn't be discussed on THR and would be harmful to the unity of our nation. As angry as many in the border states are, I wouldn't be suprised if poject started having a string of "accidents" as soon as it broke ground on American soil.

I would also find it hard to believe that no one in DC has given thought to the risk and possible consequences given the curent public atmosphere in much of the effected parts of America.

 

[wingman]

Somehow, in the last decade or two, capitalism morphed from an engine of progress to a cancer.

I think the process begin in the 70's, even capitalism must have standards,
morals, limits, otherwise it will die. In my opinion it is out of control and at
a rapid pace killing off our middleclass.

 

[longeyes]

When congress finally decided to take up illegal immigration I said to whoever cares that illegal immigration debate would open up other issues for view and debate. At the time I was specifically refering to the issue of national sovereignty in an ultimate sense. I knew CAFTA passed only because spinelessrepublicans kept the vote open long after it expired to twist arms until they got the one vote they needed. What I didn't understand was why CAFTA was so important. According to Corsi the masters needed CAFTA as the second step in a three step process to accomplish economic union. NAFTA, CAFTA, and finally FTAA. Looks to me like Bush is implementing the bureaucratic integration off the books and with no legislative authority. Listening to Liddy now, Tancredo claims no one in congress is aware of what is happening. Maybe on the house side that is true, but looking at the senate's version of immigration reform it looks like at least 2/3's of the senate is well aware of north american union. Is it coincidental senate legislation permits the importation of 70+ million immgrants? Seems to me a lot of wierd stuff can be explained by looking at them through the glasses of north american union.

Off the books and out of sight. Yep.

I think your reasoning is right-on: this is about going beyond sovereignty to a trade zone. It's probably less about crushing sovereignty, per se and by design, and just about profits. For the money people, the "America" issues are a sideline distraction.