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True, it could.....but lung shots don't "drop" grizzlies in their tracks.
For all you guys that said a handgun is not for Grizzly.
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True, it could.....but lung shots don't "drop" grizzlies in their tracks.
Double Naught Spy
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What they heck are you talking about? Who claimed that particular shot dropped the bear? Do you not realize that in order to hit the lungs or respiratory tact that other tissues must be hit first and likely hit afterwards. A shot that damages a lung or lungs could potentially be a shot that drops the bear, especially an old, malnourished, edentulous bear.
I know you sank a lot of big talk into this story as being a myth and that were are a skeptic, but the guy has the pictures, news account (which you claimed didn't exist), and the Alaska Department of Fish and Game investigated the incident and confirmed the scenario played out just as Brush described -- all of which substantiate that it really did happen.
wyocarp
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It happened here in Wyoming just a few weeks ago. A retired police officer put down a grizzly with three rounds from a .41. He was attacked and the sow went back to check her cubs. As she came back to put some more hurt on the guy, he was able to draw his pistol and killed her.
It's good for him that he didn't listen to all those on here that have little or no bear experience but know for sure that the only thing that will kill them is a rifle, because in his condition, he wouldn't have been able to get to it. He was in critical condition when he arrived at the hospital as it was.
It's good for him that he didn't listen to all those on here that have little or no bear experience but know for sure that the only thing that will kill them is a rifle, because in his condition, he wouldn't have been able to get to it. He was in critical condition when he arrived at the hospital as it was.
RDCL
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I don't know wether I belive it or not. I'm on the fence.
I certainly don't think it was hit by a car or any other vehicle. Think about it. Who'd collide with something like THAT....leave....and not go tell someone about it. Another thing is that it could'nt have been dead too long since rigor has not set in yet.
Could be fake could be real, I don't know.
Russ
I certainly don't think it was hit by a car or any other vehicle. Think about it. Who'd collide with something like THAT....leave....and not go tell someone about it. Another thing is that it could'nt have been dead too long since rigor has not set in yet.
Could be fake could be real, I don't know.
Russ
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Heck, if a car had hit it the dead car would be lying there too.
10pacesmike
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Couple things
First,
whoever said the 45-70 in a Marlin is in the neighborhood of a 454 Casull from a pistol needs to read up on reloading, and warm factory loads for that matter. Grizzly/Buffalo Bore each provide loads that will eclipse 3500 ft/lbs of energy out of a guide gun. 45-70 is far and away a better stopper on dangerous/thick skin game than a 12 gauge.
Second,
It's unfortunate that the internet has made everyone so quick to jump all over someone's story as BS from the start. Yea, it's pretty incredible, but it doesn't make it a lie. To call a man on his credibility without cause used to be grounds for a beating at best, a killing at worst. If Alvin York, Audie Murphy, Ray Benevidez (sp), or any other Medal of Honor winner posted their story these days, our heroes would be immediately branded liars, tarred, feathered, and banned from the forums.
First,
whoever said the 45-70 in a Marlin is in the neighborhood of a 454 Casull from a pistol needs to read up on reloading, and warm factory loads for that matter. Grizzly/Buffalo Bore each provide loads that will eclipse 3500 ft/lbs of energy out of a guide gun. 45-70 is far and away a better stopper on dangerous/thick skin game than a 12 gauge.
Second,
It's unfortunate that the internet has made everyone so quick to jump all over someone's story as BS from the start. Yea, it's pretty incredible, but it doesn't make it a lie. To call a man on his credibility without cause used to be grounds for a beating at best, a killing at worst. If Alvin York, Audie Murphy, Ray Benevidez (sp), or any other Medal of Honor winner posted their story these days, our heroes would be immediately branded liars, tarred, feathered, and banned from the forums.
Blue Brick
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"A woman many years ago shot one of the biggest grizzleys taken with a 22 rifle also. "
Huh???
Huh???
CoRoMo
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Seriously? This thread IS one example. But okay, I'll do the search for you.
Wyoming
Alaska
Montana
Oregon
Kentucky
More from Montana
More from Wyoming
Even more from Montana
Hunters, hikers, campers, fly-fishermen... it happens.
Who knows how many stories don't get reported because of the S.S.S. rule.
For all the guys calling BS on this. Now don't you feel a little stupid?
http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml
http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/080709/out_478669517.shtml
Damn fine shooting. If the SHTF, I hope I'm standing next to this guy.
We have ALL seen those "impossible" shots happen, havent we? I have never hunted, or been challenged by wildlife to the point of firing, but I did ONCE make a truly impossible shot, with a witness. I've always been an avid shooter. A friend bought a S&W Model 66, and didn't have a clue what to do with it. We spent the afternoon shooting it (alone), deep in the woods and he asked, "How good are you with a gun?" I found an empty 12 ga shell, and placed it up on the post holding our target. I started walking back towards our makeshift firing line, loading a single round into the S&W. I closed the cylinder, and at about 15 feet, spun, and fired. Yup, hit the 12 ga shell, from a point shoot position. He asked me to do it again, and as if I were David Copperfield himself, I refused to try. Truth? No way in hell I believed I'd pull that off again. Blind luck, but good timing.
Dude is lucky. Dude is a good shot. Whatever... Dude is alive and bear is dead. OIt sure seems to be a true story.
We have ALL seen those "impossible" shots happen, havent we? I have never hunted, or been challenged by wildlife to the point of firing, but I did ONCE make a truly impossible shot, with a witness. I've always been an avid shooter. A friend bought a S&W Model 66, and didn't have a clue what to do with it. We spent the afternoon shooting it (alone), deep in the woods and he asked, "How good are you with a gun?" I found an empty 12 ga shell, and placed it up on the post holding our target. I started walking back towards our makeshift firing line, loading a single round into the S&W. I closed the cylinder, and at about 15 feet, spun, and fired. Yup, hit the 12 ga shell, from a point shoot position. He asked me to do it again, and as if I were David Copperfield himself, I refused to try. Truth? No way in hell I believed I'd pull that off again. Blind luck, but good timing.
Dude is lucky. Dude is a good shot. Whatever... Dude is alive and bear is dead. OIt sure seems to be a true story.
MCgunner
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Good find. The opening sentence sorta stabs those who don't think bears ever attack anyone, too, eh? LOL!
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And...
Hell, I've made a few myself, but not on a charging bear. I reckon that guy drew and fired out of pure instinct. That's a good example of the value of practice IMHO. I think there was probably more than luck involved. This guy obviously knows how to handle his weapon.
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And...
Hell, I've made a few myself, but not on a charging bear. I reckon that guy drew and fired out of pure instinct. That's a good example of the value of practice IMHO. I think there was probably more than luck involved. This guy obviously knows how to handle his weapon.
MCgunner
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I tried to find it by search, seems to be acting up. But, a year or two ago someone posted in the hunting forum about 3 guys fishing during a salmon run in Alaska. One was attacked, had a shotgun on his back, had no time to get at it. His two buddies had 9x19s, high caps. They unloaded on the bear and stopped the charge before it got to their friend. It was written up in a local paper and the link was posted.
Personally, I'd get a Freedom Arms in .454 and leave the P85 at home, but even the 9 stopped the fight on a large griz (with enough rounds fired).
Then there was this Inuit village where, on an episode of "Monster Quest", there was a bear suspected of being cross of polar and brown. This guy found and shot it dead with an M16, that's right, an M16. The show depicted him firing on it in full auto. Modern versions of the M16 only have 3 shot burst capability, so I guess he had an older class 3 weapon, I mean, if the show was accurate. The show did say the bear turned out to be a mix hybrid.
Personally, I'd get a Freedom Arms in .454 and leave the P85 at home, but even the 9 stopped the fight on a large griz (with enough rounds fired).
Then there was this Inuit village where, on an episode of "Monster Quest", there was a bear suspected of being cross of polar and brown. This guy found and shot it dead with an M16, that's right, an M16. The show depicted him firing on it in full auto. Modern versions of the M16 only have 3 shot burst capability, so I guess he had an older class 3 weapon, I mean, if the show was accurate. The show did say the bear turned out to be a mix hybrid.
CoRoMo
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Where are those skeptics now? Not a whopper after all.
Yep. Just because you can't pop off three fast shots doesn't mean it can't be done.
Yep. Just because you can't pop off three fast shots doesn't mean it can't be done.
Double Naught Spy
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Very nice CoRoMo.
Eightball
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Crazy stuff.
While not ideal, certainly better than the alternative.
While not ideal, certainly better than the alternative.
OK OK its true.
This story has the most documentation (by far) of any of the "shooting a charging bear" stories and myths I have read.
About using a handgun.....
....scary for sure. I don't think anyone would say a large cal. (.44 mag and up) could NOT be used. It seems to me the message is there are better weapons for very large fast animals.
The shooter himself said he was lucky numerous times, which he was. That was a desperate starving bear, only killing it would stop it.
I don't even think it’s really an issue of power (ie penetration.. I think a .44 mag has enough to get to vital areas) The trick is hitting the right one that stops the bear dead, hard to do on a moving target with a handgun.
ANY .50 sized hole or smaller, is not going to bleed a bear out fast enough to stop it before it attacks. So it would seem the CNS has to be hit.......
So yeah I would agree with that guy, he got real lucky with a hip shot.
OH... and to those skeptics who were wondering about why the dog didn't warn him?
Its becasue the dog is smart.
This story has the most documentation (by far) of any of the "shooting a charging bear" stories and myths I have read.
About using a handgun.....
....scary for sure. I don't think anyone would say a large cal. (.44 mag and up) could NOT be used. It seems to me the message is there are better weapons for very large fast animals.The shooter himself said he was lucky numerous times, which he was. That was a desperate starving bear, only killing it would stop it.
I don't even think it’s really an issue of power (ie penetration.. I think a .44 mag has enough to get to vital areas) The trick is hitting the right one that stops the bear dead, hard to do on a moving target with a handgun.
ANY .50 sized hole or smaller, is not going to bleed a bear out fast enough to stop it before it attacks. So it would seem the CNS has to be hit.......
So yeah I would agree with that guy, he got real lucky with a hip shot.
OH... and to those skeptics who were wondering about why the dog didn't warn him?
Its becasue the dog is smart.
captain awesome
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I believe the story, the dog not noticing it seems skeptical, but he does say the dog was 50 yards ahead of him, this definitely could make for a scenario where the dog doesn't notice, especially if the bear came from behind like he said. As for those who say the quick shot cant be done especially with recoil, when you are excited you never even notice recoil. I have killed a few animals hunting and you would swear in the heat of the moment there is no recoil at all. Don't really notice the loud noise either. Youtube search fastest shot in the world or trick shooting and then tell us it cant be done.
This video is entertaining to say the least
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3PiN29VB0
This video is entertaining to say the least
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3PiN29VB0
MCgunner
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I've shot running game with a handgun, swimming snakes, anyway. I won't count the rabbit 'cause I was using a .410 contender, cheating. I shot a charging dog once, was so fast I didn't really even have time to use the sights, just point shot him. He was pretty close, though, about 15 yards and closing. I also head shot wounded feral hog at about 10 yards with a .357 magnum. I'm no Bob London, but I do practice a lot. I AIMED on that hog, though, had time to bring the sights up cause he was hit hard and not moving with much speed, just moving forward and baring his teeth.
No, I'm not that great a shot, but I'm, I would say, above average only because I practice and know my guns. I never made it to master class in IDPA, only a slow expert time when I qualified last. I suspect this guy was similar, well practiced and knew his weapon. I submit that the handgun out of leather is MUCH faster on target than the long gun slung over the shoulder, even slung muzzle down as I like to do while still hunting so I can swing it up with my off hand in a hurry. Carried port arms, you're likely as fast with a long gun, but you'll have that gun slug if you're doing something with your hands like maybe fishing.
Anyway, I reckon you choose what you're most proficient with. Apparently, this guy knows handguns. Some don't. Some are better off with a long gun, shotgun, whatever. But, if you can gain some proficiency with the handgun, feel confident with it, it's a lot handier to take along for defense and todays modern megamagnum hand cannon calibers are plenty up to the task. I would imagine the X frame is a hot seller in Alaska and I'd be lookin' at 'em in 500 S&W magnum if I lived up there. That's gotta be the baddest of the bad with as much horsepower at the muzzle as a 12 gauge foster slug, 2600 ft lbs, and a lot better penetration.
Fruit salad? Not enough left, LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoW8nHIVuRk
I shot a charging dog once, was so fast I didn't really even have time to use the sights, just point shot him. He was pretty close, though, about 15 yards and closing. I also head shot wounded feral hog at about 10 yards with a .357 magnum. I'm no Bob London, but I do practice a lot. I AIMED on that hog, though, had time to bring the sights up cause he was hit hard and not moving with much speed, just moving forward and baring his teeth.No, I'm not that great a shot, but I'm, I would say, above average only because I practice and know my guns. I never made it to master class in IDPA, only a slow expert time when I qualified last. I suspect this guy was similar, well practiced and knew his weapon. I submit that the handgun out of leather is MUCH faster on target than the long gun slung over the shoulder, even slung muzzle down as I like to do while still hunting so I can swing it up with my off hand in a hurry. Carried port arms, you're likely as fast with a long gun, but you'll have that gun slug if you're doing something with your hands like maybe fishing.
Anyway, I reckon you choose what you're most proficient with. Apparently, this guy knows handguns. Some don't. Some are better off with a long gun, shotgun, whatever. But, if you can gain some proficiency with the handgun, feel confident with it, it's a lot handier to take along for defense and todays modern megamagnum hand cannon calibers are plenty up to the task. I would imagine the X frame is a hot seller in Alaska and I'd be lookin' at 'em in 500 S&W magnum if I lived up there. That's gotta be the baddest of the bad with as much horsepower at the muzzle as a 12 gauge foster slug, 2600 ft lbs, and a lot better penetration.
Fruit salad? Not enough left, LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoW8nHIVuRk
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villachaise
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It's certainly better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it, and a 44 will drop a grizzly. Bell brained elephants with a 7x57 mauser, some have popped polar bears with the 219 Zipper, but I'd make plans for the afterlife if a big griz charged me and all I had was my Super Blackhawk...
All said, it has the power to do the job, but it's not something I'd solely rely on.
All said, it has the power to do the job, but it's not something I'd solely rely on.
MCgunner
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Well, if you're real paranoid, I posted a thread on this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_X5nyGu5LQ&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_X5nyGu5LQ&feature=fvw
The_Shootist
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Was that the Ruger Alaskan the guy had in the photo (in .454 flavour)? I looked into those as a carry piece maybe for .44spl or .45LC but given the current economy it was tough to justify. Plus grizzly bears aren't exactly making a comeback in Richmond Tx these days.
Double Naught Spy
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No but you have equally strong meth-heads in Richmond and their numbers are growing. In fact, y'all seem to live in a very tough area of the country!
I would definitely go with hollowpoints in Richmond.
I would definitely go with hollowpoints in Richmond.
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