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Ok, I'll say it, but he won't listen anyway. If you want to spend as little money as possible, don't bother with pot metal (i.e. hi-point), buy soviet surplus. You'll get a much higher quality gun for about the same price.
 
I know a few guys with a hi point and the are very reliable. I don't need to spend 500 for reliability. All guns can and will jam.

I will look into cornered cat and see what she thinks. I def want her to choose.

I've shot many many handguns and rifles and shotguns. So it isn't new to me.

My main concern is my son. I don't want him gettin to my weapon. But at the same timw. A safe or gun cabinet is no good. If someone trys to break in and hurt us. It needs to be acceseible.
 
I have two of these: http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Multi-Gun-Vault-Deluxe-Safe/3177905/product.html

One is on my side of the bed, the other is on my wife's side. Takes about two seconds longer to be armed than if our handguns were in a nightstand drawer instead. They don't do much to prevent theft since a burglar can easily take the safes (although there is a motion alarm feature that may or may not defeat some burglars). The primary value is that these are effective at keeping children from our firearms when we aren't carrying them.
 
Emartinez said:
I know a few guys with a hi point and the are very reliable.
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:eek: ...... and what do you figure the durability is on a $100 Hi-Point?

If you or the wife choose that as your go to pistol, when your life is on the line, you put very little value on your life's....IMO....That would be ashame. I believe you're being advised that there are much better options for protecting your life's and conceal carry than a Hi-Point . Even for your low-ball price.
 
You say low ball price and I say I'm looking at all options.

Guess its a good thing its my money and time being wasted than yours.

Today me and the wife are going to a few different places to check out a few guns.

Like I said. Be it a high end or low end gun. They can and will jam at some point. So that argument is oiut the door
 
Suggesting that a total beginner buy an air-weight .38 revolver as their home defense gun basically proves that you shouldn't be giving gun advice to anybody, ever.

Like I said. Be it a high end or low end gun. They can and will jam at some point. So that argument is oiut the door
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If you can't see the glaring flaw in this logic you aren't smart enough to own a lethal weapon.

"Anything can break, so why not just buy the worst?" :scrutiny:
 
Emartinez said:
You say low ball price and I say I'm looking at all options.
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I suppose I didn't choose my words very well....

I was thinking more on the lines of:.....Your lowest common denominator.


Emartinez said:
Like I said. Be it a high end or low end gun. They can and will jam at some point. So that argument is oiut the door
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and some just fall apart sooner than others, jam more than others and are certain to do it at the absolute worst time. If you believe the high end makes and models failure rates are just as high, you're only fooling yourself.

Good luck with your search.....I won't waste anymore of your time or mine!
 
The dimensions on the Hi-Point handgun (presumably 9mm, since you are cost conscious) are simply awful for concealed carry. It weighs in at around 30 ounces (loaded), and only carries 8 shots. And, it's got a super fat slide on it due to its blowback design.

Unless money is tight, I say AVOID the Hi-Point.

The only semi-auto that comes to mind that sells for less than $200 (used) that I'd even consider would be a S&W Sigma (I'd only buy recent manufacture). A DIY trigger job (can be found on YouTube) will make the trigger pull more reasonable.
 
There are plenty of guns in the 200 dollar area USED
I can think of about 10-15 modles
including a S&W 15, please somebody tell me that's junk
or a cz82
or a FEG line
yeah they are mil-sup or police trade-ins but they are still quality and LIGHTYEARS better than some potmetal gun.
 
I vote that you buy an alarm system first. The best way to win a fight is to prevent it from happening. A burglar wants to steal stuff and not get caught. If a loud alarm starts going off the moment he makes entry, he'll run and you won't have to worry about all the messy practical, legal, psychological issues of shooting someone. The sound will likely rouse the neighbors and attention is exactly what the burglar doesn't want... especially when he knows the police may be on their way.

Once you have an alarm, take a basic pistol NRA class and get a simple, easy to use, and reliable gun. A Glock 17 or 19 fits the bill nicely. Whatever gun you buy, get lots of ammo and practice a lot with it. Once you have both an alarm system and a gun, find a course or book in surviving a home invasion. Come up with a simple plan for home defense and practice it. Teach it to every member in your household because if the alarm goes off, you everyone to know what everyone else is doing... the very last thing you want to do is to shoot the wrong person.
 
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im not sure where you guys are getting this idea that i said i was for sure going to buy a hi point tomorrow. i said I WAS LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS.

You dont know me well enough to judge me, so please keep your comments to yourself regarding that issue.

VJ, alarm system is out of the question, most veteran burglars have been caught and will try and try again. alarm systems arent good enough.


Im seriously looking into the KEL TEC line, as well as the Glock, and Ruger line.

most of you have been a tremendous help. yall are very knowledgable when it comes to this stuff.. some of you need to keep the trolling to yourselves.

:neener:

thanks all.
 
Emartinez

If I might make a suggestion, take a look at the Bersa line of firearms as well. I own and carry a Bersa Thunder 9 UC Pro almost all day long. While it is a bit heavier than I'd like, it is comfortable accurate and reliable. In over 500 rounds, I've NOT had a failure of any kind with a multitude of brands, weights, and types of ammunition. A friend of mine carries a Bersa .380 as his daily carry and he loves that one as well. If I remember right, I was quite a bit below $500 with an extra mag and two boxes of ammo.

I can and will attest to the Ruger line as well. I recently, 4 months ago, purchased a Ruger SR9 full size, after much arguing with myself between the full and the compact, and am overly delighted with my decision. The SR9 fits and feels like a 1911 would and is just as accurate in my hands as the 1911 would be. In over 250 rounds there has been no problems with the same varying variety of ammo the Bersa had.

Just me but, I'd also look into the S & W M & P series of full size and compacts. I was also arguing with myself about the Ruger and the Smith. And to be honest, if I had the funds, I'd buy a Smith M&P 9 just so I could have it and finish my self discussion.

Just try everything you and the wife can and go with what's right for ya'll
 
Suggesting that a total beginner buy an air-weight .38 revolver as their home defense gun basically proves that you shouldn't be giving gun advice to anybody, ever
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I'll assume you were talking to me.

We've put a lot of people into 442's as a first, and they've been just fine. They're not at all difficult to control, and the manual of arms is stupid simple, which makes them a good beginner's firearm. Yes, the recoil with +P loads can be unpleasant at first. But one get's used to it.

I'm trying to stay within this fellow's price requirements. He says he doesn't want junk but doesn't want to spend $500, which puts guns like the M60, SP101, GP-100 or 686 out. I concluded for myself that he's probably more ok in the ~$300-$350 range; This means that aside from the 442 and Charter guns, he's basically looking through the used shelves, and with no experience, I can't say I believe it's a particularly good idea to buy a used revolver off the shelf at a LGS. I cannot in good conscience recommend a Taurus; Way too hit-or-miss.
 
Emartinez
For my wife and I
Hello All!
Me and my wife were looking into getting our concealed handgun license and protection. just recently a man was seen at our apartment complex breaking into an apartment. we have a son, and i dont want to be left in the dark.
so my questions are simple..
what would be a good firearm for my wife, something simple, something with stopping power so if im not around or at work, she can handle whoever might try to hurt her or my son.
what would be some good places to look into for AFFORDABLE firearms. i dont need a 500 dollar gun. but i dont want a 20 dollar POS either.
im looking into Hi-point myself.. im just not sure what she would need.
thanks all!
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There are quite a few firearms that will suit your needs. Too many to list here. I'd suggest going to your LGS and rent a few weapons within your budget. If I didn't want to spend $500 but still wanted my family protected, I'd go with a CZ-82 for around $200 and I'd get 2 of 'em. Surplus ammo is cheap and plentiful and the 9x18 is no slouch. Other options also include - S&W Sigma, S&W SD, S&W M637, S&W M638, Ruger P-Series; all around the $300 to $350 range.
 
I'd go with some training....
then worry about the guns, you will end up with a few
better to buy what you like and shoot than something you don't, it's less expensive in the long run.
 
Emartinez said:
VJ, alarm system is out of the question, most veteran burglars have been caught and will try and try again. alarm systems arent good enough.
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Career burglars do their research and pick easy targets. A visible alarm system will go a long way towards discouraging a thief from selecting your unit to hit. It may not discourage everyone, but it is an effective form of protection.

You can look at it a few ways:

1. It will discourage most idiots who try to break into your place.

2. It's a way to try to prevent you from getting into a potential gunfight in your own home.

3. If the intruder is aggressive and continues into your home, the alarm company (and probably your neighbors, too) will alert the police and you know you'll have backup.

4. If you are forced to shoot and kill an intruder, having the alarm is a plus for you in court because it shows you were trying to avoid the situation in the first place.

I agree with you: an alarm by itself is not enough, but it's a huge help in so many ways that I wouldn't want to do without it. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
I also live near ft hood, I would go with either a revolver or a shotgun to start, also take some classes, it will help in the long run. Good luck and I wish you and yours the best.
 
cheap and reliable for me has been the sigma series 9mm or 40 ( i have the .40) after a lil practice the trigger gets comfy and its hard so kid prolly couldnt pull it.. and cheap like $300 brand new.

mine has over 2k rounds not a single issue ever! even with cheap walmart tulammo all the way up to winchester pdx1s and everything in between
 
The Sigma.
Very reasonable price and it has no safety other than the trigger (like a Glock) so point and shoot.

Hi Points are good shooters but do have some drawbacks. Locking the wrist and elbow is a must even in a high stress situation. If you don't know what limp wristing is you'll find out quick.

I also think a five or six shot .38 is a great choice. If she already likes it I can guess what your buying :D

Regardless, take a course and practice, your son is counting on you.
 
You can find good independant info on chuckhawks website.
Here is a link to a page with relevant info: http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_home_defense.htm

I to would go for a .38 sp revolver for the wife and a 9mm auto for me.

About recoil, i'm 6'3 and 250 and i shoot my HK USP match 45 onehanded, so no worries.
You probably have huge hands to so it is important that a pistol fits YOUR hand.
On most concealed carry pistols I can barely wrap 2 fingers around the grip.

greetings

Peter
 
This is really really great information.

Understandable about the alarm system. But if anyone here has been to killeen texas or lives near killeen. You will soon find out. Alarms don't bother them. Killeen is infested with drug dealers and prostitutes. I refuse to be un protected and must be ready when the zomvies show up...lmao. jk

Ill check out the chuck hawk website.

Yes the wife is eyeballing a pink 38. Try as I might she wants to get it and practice. We know in the event of a home invasion or wherever we might be. Its necwessary. To protect firstly my son. Then my wife. Then myself
 
Pink charter arms. 38 special for ur wife, sigma 40 for you.. is What I would think.. about 650-700 for both guns and plenty of power
 
Simple and straight forward.

I've looked hard at the sigma line. Great firearms.
38 special for her is what she settled on.

Took a look at the burglar bomb. That's pretty awesome. Haha. I feel bad for the guys who have gotten hit bhy that before.
 
Emartinez said:
Simple and straight forward.

I've looked hard at the sigma line. Great firearms.
38 special for her is what she settled on.

Took a look at the burglar bomb. That's pretty awesome. Haha. I feel bad for the guys who have gotten hit bhy that before.
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A sigma would be about 10,000 better than a hi-point.
 
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