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mgrych

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Can't find any load data for the load i'm trying... I've im using 55 gr. Nosler ballistic tips and i have W748 and H4895 on hand... Anyone out there either use this stuff successfully or at least know of some good ideas about where to start... Could really use some help, I'm am just having the hardest time find a quality accurate load in my bolt gun. I've went through so many different bullet/powder combo's and i still get crappy groups at 100yds i know it's capable of .5" at 100 with match grade loaded ammo, but i want to reload my my own.

Extra info- Savage model 10 LE 1 in 9 bullets seated .01 off the lands, powder measured on digital scale with an accuracy within .02 grains...
 
26.3 grains of WW-748 & the Nosler 55 B-T should easily shoot well under 1 MOA. At least it will in any rifle I have ever shot it in.

It is not nearly a max load, but is very accurate.

rcmodel
 
mgrych, have to you tried the Hodgdon web site for the data you seek?
http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
It has everything you need for Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders. The loads for 55 grain jacketed bullets work extremely well with those Nosler BT. That happens to be an excellent bullet.
 
RCmodel... since the load you suggested isn't a max or even near it aren't you concerned the velocity and energy wont be anywhere near it's potential? Like it's completely underpowered?
 
NO.

It kills coyotes with authority, works perfectly in my semi-autos, and does everything else I ask it too.

Maximum velocity is not usually the ultimate goal if best accuracy is the goal.

It is also the recommended load published by Winchester, since I started reloading .223 in 1970.

If I need more then that, I need to get out the 22-250!

rcmodel
 
mgrych, I suggest listening to ants and rcmodel because their years of knowledge and experience combined, extends far beyond your years alive I would guess. Their expertise should be heeded.
Get serious about collecting data and log your information and results.
You said that you already have H-4895, and that has a small window of use but does give good velocity.
I'll give you a couple sites for reference.

http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=18

http://www.realguns.com/loads/223r.htm

NCsmitty
 
Mgrych, There is some thought not using max loads will allow the brass to last longer, which in turn may allow the firearm to last longer. Besides, the deer, yote, bear, elk or etc will never know the bullet could have been going 200 FPS faster.
 
Good point, thanks everyone for the advice, just load some more with w748..

An overstocked reloading store in town got me a good deal (about 40% off) on a bottle of benchmark powder.. I've heard many people talk about this stuff, And has a max load on the bottle for a 55 gr. in .223 at 25.6gr.. what would be a good place to start working up? I already loaded half my stash with w748 so i got another 50 or so to try benchmark. Should i try about 24.0 and work up by .2 increments?
 
A recommended 10% reduced starting load off the 25.6 max would leave you at 23.1.

That sounds like the starting load to me.

rcmodel
 
Start low and work up. I truly like Benchmark in that cartridge with bullets 52 to 55 grain, but it didn't give me good accuracy in a 16" barrel until it got closer to max load (about 25.1 grains). It's kinda on the fast side, which is probably why it works well for me in shorter barrels. But it requires the advice given by rc to start down low and work up in 0.2 gn steps.

Benchmark also works well for me (like IMR3031) in carbine length lever action 30-30.
 
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23.5 gr of WCC844 with a 55gr FMJ Hornady bullet and Wolf primers these will crono at about 2960 to 3000 fps Wcc844 is like H335 but about 10% hotter
you can get it from Pat's reloading. Durring the past year I have done about 15K and still making more I shot alot of three gun, There is also WCC846 that burns alot cleaner, be very careful when using these milatary powders.
 
Your lack of success may have nothing to do with the powders you are using. Over the summer I picked up a new Kimber Longmaster Classic in 223 Remington. I also picked up some Nosler 55 grain Ballistic Tips and Hornady 55 grain V-Max bullets. I tried Varget, Reloader 10x, H335, Win 748, IMR 4198, H4895 and BL-C(2) powder and CCI 400, CCI BR4, Federal 205, and Remington 7 1/2 bench rest primers. I loaded every combination you could with the different powders and primers. The Nosler bullets shot better than the Hornady bullets but neither was anything to brag about, about 3" groups at 100 yards.

I was highly frustrated thinking the gun was just not a shooter. For grins and giggles I loaded up some 40 grain Ballistic Tips that I had on hand that I use for my Fireball and couldn't get a bad group no matter what I did. All the combos I tried with the 40 grain bullets were one ragged hole so I knew it wasn't the gun (he said with a sigh of relief after having spent $1200 on the gun).

The quest for another bullet began in ernest. I ended up with Sierra 63 grain spire point flat base bullets over a max load of H4895. The load is scarry accurate. I'm talking slightly elongated holes from 10 shot groups at 100 yards. Another bullet that I found to be very accurate is the Speer 70 grain semi-spitzer but it has to be seated deeply in the case. If I were to use the 223 on deer sized game the Speer would be my bullet of choice. For everything else it is the Sierra bullet.

I'm an avid reloader, doing it for more years than I care to admit in public. My gun is a 1:9 twist like yours but no matter what I did I couldn't get the 55 grain bullets to shoot worth a darn. That's not to say the bullets are crappy bullets, they're not, I shoot them in my Fireball with great success. That gun has a 1:14 barrel twist and shooting the 55 grain bullets over a top end powder charge of LilGun is a sweet load for that gun.

You might consider trying a different bullet.
 
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

The 308 is SAAMI registered at 62kpsi.
The 308 has a threshold of short brass life at ~62kpsi.
The 308 can only be practically overloaded to the extent that load books are wrong, which is some, but not a great deal.

The .223 is SAAMI registered at 55kpsi.
The .223 has a threshold of short brass life at ~72 kpsi
The .223 can be practically overloaded to the point of making factory[can only shoot light bullets] 22-250 rifles obsolete.
 
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