Fortis Body Armor Test Video
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VARifleman
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pretty cool video
10 Ring Tao
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Cool to see the SAPI plate in action against an AK.
Fosbery
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Oh man, I wish I could work for an RFD 
Lucky
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9x19mm SMG is a more powerful cartridge than plain 9x19 for handguns.
Lucky
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I'm not sure, I just know that with older handguns you ought to be careful what 9mm you fire. But I'd guess what vest gets penetrated is quite variable. I've heard that with lots of handgun rounds (and some people's home experiments seems to support it) penetration isn't the problem - a few layers can catch the bullets. But the backface deformation is a problem, so they need more layers, to add stiffness.
ready4shtf
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looked rigged. 9mm isnt hard to stop.
Ukraine Train
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How many hits can a ceramic plate take? It's really brittle from my experience.
Double Naught Spy
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SMG ammo is a little hotter, yes, but kevlar can stop it. Of the three "ballistic" soft armor (including kevlar) ratings (not including Level I), the lowest is IIA, then II, and then the highest is IIIA. IIIA will stop it, but I don't recall if II will or not.
Gotta loves those black outfits and balaclavas in the video - makes me want to buy ninja gear.
Double Naught Spy
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While I have no doubt Fortis armor is good, the vidio is rife with falsehoods, inequitable comparisons, and downright lies.
My guess is that the 'standard' vest that failed so miserably was maybe a standard fragmentation vest, not ballistic or if ballistic, a IIA vest and not higher whereas the Fortis was a IIIA or better (if with a hard plate, which they did not say). Why else did so much penetrate it? Who knows, maybe it was a 5 year old zylon vest that they soaked repeatedly in water?
By the way, who said they were using SMG ammo in the Uzi? There are no stipulations about the ammo being used except for caliber. For example, the .38 spl. round looded to be unjacketed. And, they made a big deal out of the .38 spl bouncing off the Fortis vest. That is nothing unusual. In testing old panels purchased off ebay, I have seen 9mm, .45 acp, and .380 all bounce off and if the ammo is soft point or hollowpoint, it is that much more likely to bounce off. Basically, it expands on contact and before penetration is attained, hence becomes far too large to penetrate and "bounces" off.
Up to the shotgun, the claim was the shotgun was the most powerful firearm so far in the test. If you notice, one pellet missed the vest and struck the gray stuff. The hole of the 00 pellet was fairly small, much smaller than the 9mm rounds piercing the 'standard' vest. While a shotgun can blow a door off its hinges (each hinge usually needs to be shot, but that is another matter), each pellet is its own projectile and is only a .33 caliber round that might be as fast as 1400 fps out of a full length barrel, but they were using a sawed off version, so less velocity and the round 00 buck loses velocity fairly quickly on top of that. While the shotgun is powerful, the vest is stopping individual projectiles. As individual projectiles, none are terribly powerful when compared again something like a .45 acp or .357 mag.
Why did that 'expert' fire the first shotgun round from the hip and into the air? Can you say negligent discharge?
You can tell they were experts by the fact that the second AK47 API round nearly missed the hard plate.
Maybe a littel overly critical? Sure, but only because they aren't being square with the viewer in the presentation of the product. Then again, with a scientist with the name of Digby Dike attesting to the results for Fortis, how could I question such findings?
My guess is that the 'standard' vest that failed so miserably was maybe a standard fragmentation vest, not ballistic or if ballistic, a IIA vest and not higher whereas the Fortis was a IIIA or better (if with a hard plate, which they did not say). Why else did so much penetrate it? Who knows, maybe it was a 5 year old zylon vest that they soaked repeatedly in water?
By the way, who said they were using SMG ammo in the Uzi? There are no stipulations about the ammo being used except for caliber. For example, the .38 spl. round looded to be unjacketed. And, they made a big deal out of the .38 spl bouncing off the Fortis vest. That is nothing unusual. In testing old panels purchased off ebay, I have seen 9mm, .45 acp, and .380 all bounce off and if the ammo is soft point or hollowpoint, it is that much more likely to bounce off. Basically, it expands on contact and before penetration is attained, hence becomes far too large to penetrate and "bounces" off.
Up to the shotgun, the claim was the shotgun was the most powerful firearm so far in the test. If you notice, one pellet missed the vest and struck the gray stuff. The hole of the 00 pellet was fairly small, much smaller than the 9mm rounds piercing the 'standard' vest. While a shotgun can blow a door off its hinges (each hinge usually needs to be shot, but that is another matter), each pellet is its own projectile and is only a .33 caliber round that might be as fast as 1400 fps out of a full length barrel, but they were using a sawed off version, so less velocity and the round 00 buck loses velocity fairly quickly on top of that. While the shotgun is powerful, the vest is stopping individual projectiles. As individual projectiles, none are terribly powerful when compared again something like a .45 acp or .357 mag.
Why did that 'expert' fire the first shotgun round from the hip and into the air? Can you say negligent discharge?
You can tell they were experts by the fact that the second AK47 API round nearly missed the hard plate.
Maybe a littel overly critical? Sure, but only because they aren't being square with the viewer in the presentation of the product. Then again, with a scientist with the name of Digby Dike attesting to the results for Fortis, how could I question such findings?
Lucky
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With doors could you tell me if this is right, and if you've ever used it? You fire top to bottom, at each hinge if you can see them, and fire at each hinge twice, once from downward angle and once from upward?
Fosbery
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Just don't shoot metal doors!
Godfather
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I think that the dissinformation may be due to this being a UK video. Can anyone tell me if this is the type of thing they like to lie about, or was a video maker just a little over-zealous? Or do youthink the Fortis Co. made this vid?
WeedWhacker
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand "9mm SMG" to be nothing more than "9mm +P+ (Luger)".
Maybe sorta. SAAMI gives 9mm pressure ratings for 9mm and 9mm +P. +P is usually about 15% more pressure than standard pressure. SAAMI gives no pressure ratings for +P+, you just know its higher than +P. SMG loads might be way more +P+ though than that 10-15% as usually seen. For example SAAMI for 9mm is 35,000 psi, 9mm +P is 38,500. Some of the hirternberger +P+ stuff though is said to test over 50k psi. So while it all depends on the manufacturer of the +P+, I would say going to smg ammo from +P+ is about the equivelant of going to +P+ from standard pressure.
Or such is my understanding of it all.
Galen
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Hi (this is my first post).
Why does water cause problems for some vests?
Why does water cause problems for some vests?
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