Fox News Op/Ed: The Right to Self-Defense

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Wednesday, July 13, 2005

By Wendy McElroy

On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to police protection even in the presence of a restraining order.

By a vote of 7-to-2, the Supreme Court ruled that Gonzales has no right to sue her local police department for failing to protect her and her children from her estranged husband.

The post-mortem discussion on Gonzales has been fiery but it has missed an obvious point. If the government won't protect you, then you have to take responsibility for your own self-defense and that of your family. The court's ruling is a sad decision, but one that every victim and/or potential victim of violence must note: calling the police is not enough. You must also be ready to defend yourself.

In 1999, Gonzales obtained a restraining order against her estranged husband Simon, which limited his access to their children. On June 22, 1999, Simon abducted their three daughters. Though the Castle Rock police department disputes some of the details of what happened next, the two sides are in basic agreement: After her daughters' abduction, Gonzales repeatedly phoned the police for assistance. Officers visited the home. Believing Simon to be non-violent and, arguably, in compliance with the limited access granted by the restraining order, the police did nothing.

The next morning, Simon committed "suicide by cop." He shot a gun repeatedly through a police station window and was killed by returned fire. The murdered bodies of Leslie, 7, Katheryn, 9 and Rebecca, 10 were found in Simon's pickup truck.

In her lawsuit, Gonzales claimed the police violated her 14th Amendment right to due process and sued them for $30 million. She won at the Appeals level.

What were the arguments that won and lost in the Supreme Court?

Winners: local officials fell back upon a rich history of court decisions that found the police to have no constitutional obligation to protect individuals from private individuals. In 1856, the U.S. Supreme Court (South v. Maryland) found that law enforcement officers had no affirmative duty to provide such protection. In 1982 (Bowers v. DeVito), the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit held, "...there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen."

Later court decisions have concurred.

Losers: anti-domestic violence advocates and women's groups, such as the National Association of Women Lawyers, failed to establish that restraining orders were constitutional entitlements. If they had succeeded, the enforcement of such orders would have been guaranteed by due process. Failure to enforce them would have been grounds for a lawsuit against the police, a precedent that local officials feared would flood them with expensive litigation.

Public analysis of Rock v. Gonzales has been largely defined by these two opposing positions.

A third position cries out: Given the court's position that the police are not obliged to protect us, responsible adults need the ability to defend themselves. Thus, no law or policy should impede the access to gun ownership.

Responsible adults — both male and female — have both a right and a need to defend themselves and their families, with lethal force if necessary. If domestic violence advocates had focused on putting a gun in Jessica's hand and training her to use it, then the three Gonzales children might still be alive. After all, Jessica knew where her husband was. Indeed, she informed the police repeatedly of his location.

Of course, the Gonzales case — in and of itself — presents difficulties for the use of armed force by private citizens. Would the same police who believed Simon Gonzales was not dangerous have believed Jessica to be justified in picking up a gun to protect her children from him? Would the police have charged her for use of a weapon? Regardless, these sticky debates would probably be taking place in the presence of three living children and not three dead ones.

Nevertheless, most anti-domestic violence advocates strenuously avoid gun ownership as a possible solution to domestic violence. Instead, they appeal for more police intervention even though the police have no obligation to provide protection.

When groups like the National Organization for Women (NOW) do focus on gun ownership, it is to make such statements as, "Guns and domestic violence make a lethal combination, injuring and killing women every day."

In short, NOW addresses the issue of gun ownership and domestic violence only in order to demand a prohibition on the ability of abusers — always defined as men — to own weapons.

That position may be defensible. But it ignores half of the equation. It ignores the need of potential victims to defend themselves and their families. Anti-domestic violence and women's groups create the impression that guns are always part of the problem and never part of the solution.

The current mainstream of feminism — from which most anti-domestic violence advocates proceed — is an expression of left liberalism. It rejects private solutions based on individual rights in favor of laws aimed at achieving social goals. A responsible individual holding a gun in self-defense does not fit their vision of society.

In the final analysis, such advocates do not trust the judgment of the women they claim to be defending. They do not believe that Jessica Gonzales' three children would have been safer with a mother who was armed and educated in gun use.

The clear message of Gonzales bears repeating because you will not hear it elsewhere. The police have no obligation to protect individuals who, therefore, should defend themselves. The content of state laws does not matter; by Colorado State law, the police are required to "use every reasonable means to enforce a protection order." The Supreme Court has ruled and that's that.

In the wake of Gonzales, every anti-domestic violence advocate should advise victims — male or female — to learn self-defense. They should lobby for the repeal of any law or policy that hinders responsible gun ownership.

The true meaning of being anti-domestic violence means is to help victims out of their victimhood and into a position of power.

Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.

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Police aren't obliged to protect your life because that would require that one walk around with you all day long, and park a squad car in front of your home at night. We don't pay enough taxes to support that. This is a no brainer. Police clean up the mess after you've been murdered, and make some sort of effort to find out who did it. At best, they attempt to create the impression of omnipresence so as to deter common crime, but if someone is after you particularly, and you aren't prepared to defend yourself, you are in a very dangerous situation. "To serve and protect" is a mere slogan, not a contract with the people of their community. When it comes down to it, you are ultimately responsible for your own safety.
 
Sad, but true that the Supremes have confirmed what we already know, that we must defend ourselves in many cases. In this specific case, that poor woman was in a no-win situation and it cost the lives of those children. Had she confronted the now-deceased vermin husband with a gun and a court ruled that he was not breaking a law in having the children with him, then the kids would be alive (certainly a good!), and she would probably have her life ruined. And, if she only wounded him, who would get the kids while she rotted in jail?

Sad all around.
 
IIRC, Mrs Gonzales was not present when her children were abducted, so the issue of self-defense is moot, in this particular case, unless it is being argued that the children should have been armed.
If CO has a state law re: restraining order enforcement, why sue based on 14th amendment? Attack the state for failure to enforce, and leave it at that. Her legal team should have done a little research on previous SC rulings re: protection and avoided that trap altogether.
Don't get me wrong; I think some very valid points were made in the editorial, they just don't apply to this particular case.
 
Winners: local officials fell back upon a rich history of court decisions that found the police to have no constitutional obligation to protect individuals from private individuals. In 1856, the U.S. Supreme Court (South v. Maryland) found that law enforcement officers had no affirmative duty to provide such protection. In 1982 (Bowers v. DeVito), the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit held, "...there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen."


All Police agencies please quit telling us that we need to call you when something bad happens to us, you have no obligation to protect us, so, leave us alone.
 
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Sad, but true that the Supremes have confirmed what we already know, that we must defend ourselves in many cases.

What is sad about this? This (IMO) is great news, the SC is acknowledging the truth, that each of us is responsible for our own safety. When was the last time you can remember the SC ruling on the side of personal responsibility?

Maybe this decision will serve as the foundation for the SC ruling that we can all carry guns without permits.
 
Dial 911 and DIE

The editorial is sad, but the issue isn't new.

Just more reason as to why citizens should be able to defend themselves with firearms.

http://www.jpfo.org/dial911anddie.htm

Richard Stevens' book is subtitled, The Shocking Truth about the Police Protection Myth.

One of the blurbs:

If you thought the police were required to protect you from violent crime, then think again. Stevens' book dramatically explains the legal reality behind the slogan.

Larry Pratt
Executive Director, Gun Owners of America
(http://www.gunowners.org)
 
If domestic violence advocates had focused on putting a gun in Jessica's hand and training her to use it, then the three Gonzales children might still be alive.

The "domestic violence" industry isn't likely to advocate actions that might put it out of business.
 
It wasn't about self-defense. It was about the police not responding when they knew she had an R.O., the kids were in jeopardy when their father "abducted" them (so said the R.O.)...

Was she supposed to have a gun and go hunt him down and kill him in hot/cold blood? Get into a shootout with him while kids are present? Have her father, brother, guy next door go do it for her or join her with their guns? What would be the result of that endeavor? Jail time for all (some things are worth it I now see)

Granted, the Police cannot be everywhere, but if she would have off'd him at any time during the time prior to his abduction of kids, she'd be in prison today.

Very very tragic.
 
If their not required to protect us, then why the hell do we sign their paychecks with our taxes????

Why do we buy their stupid Policeman's ball tickets. Why do we have to fund every freaking police initiative.

So are the police just a organization of ticket writers now??? Why do they exist if we cannot rely on them???

There needs to be a compromise here. We fund them, they provide us protection. Clear and simple. Seems like one side is trying to reneg on centuries old deal.

Makes you wonder.
 
Maybe this decision will serve as the foundation for the SC ruling that we can all carry guns without permits. - neoncowboy

Interesting to note how much power is attributed to a small group of virtually untouchable old guys, who generate more dismay than respect.
 
50 Freak, the primary duty is to keep the peace in a community. Secondarily come such things as investigations of crimes and enforcement of traffic laws.

With respect to any sort of individual need for self defense, the police role has historically been janitorial.

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Nah, just take someone shooting. Then they can relate, if not hooked. Victories occur one person at a time.

What would work better in my opinion would be to push toward the resurgence of legitimate, state supported militias and mandatory basic training among those of age and able, both genders. Then virtually everyone has already done some shooting or will, and more people get the same trust with safe usage as the military, ex-military, and the police. Common familiarity with and reliance upon firearms are what is so different from the late 1700s, and a big reason why the notion of the 2nd Amendment disturbs many people at face value.

Using the militia idea would, in my opinion, be a legitimate way to make safety and marksmanship training mandatory and uniform and would not involve the feds necessarily.
 
Responsible adults - both male and female - have both a right and a need to defend themselves and their families, with lethal force if necessary. If domestic violence advocates had focused on putting a gun in Jessica's hand and training her to use it, then the three Gonzales children might still be alive. After all, Jessica knew where her husband was. Indeed, she informed the police repeatedly of his location.
Someone can at least write what we all know as fact.
 
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Taking someone shooting is another important and excellent way to undo the brainwashing. The shooting sports foundation had a great ad on TV the other day, encouraging people to take up skeet shooting. As long as everyone does something...it will add up.
Organizing Militias would also be helpfull...BUT...why did they die off to begin with?
Because the MEDIA spun them into "right wing extremist groups"..."gun nuts"..."crazies"..."dangerous gun toting loons"..."fringe groups"..."rednecks"..."kooks"...
When you fight a war...you just don't have ground troops...you have a coordinated offensive on the land, sea and air. The same way with a political war.
Taking someone shooting is like shooting one of the enemy in the head. It's neccasary and important. Running an effective, hard hitting TV commercial seen my 50 million people is like nuking their capitol city.
Trying to win a political War without control of the Media is like trying to win a military ground war without Air Cover. You will lose.
 
When you fight a war...you just don't have ground troops...you have a coordinated offensive on the land, sea and air. The same way with a political war.
Taking someone shooting is like shooting one of the enemy in the head. It's necessary and important. Running an effective, hard hitting TV commercial seen my 50 million people is like nuking their capitol city.
Trying to win a political War without control of the Media is like trying to win a military ground war without Air Cover. You will lose.

That's a great argument, but wars between competing propaganda can fight to a draw, while millions of eyes glaze over. For example, you won't often convince a Democrat to be a Republican, because they don't want to hear it. Minds are closed. Becoming familiar with actual shooting is a defining moment that can only be done one person at a time. This whole issue is not unlike finding religion or some other profound personal sense of definition.
 
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