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That would be totally pointless. Most of the detainees in gitmo have bupkus to do with Iraq. We know where the hajis are. They're concentrated in certain towns and neighborhoods in the triangle, and they fan out from these safe zones. They've made it quite clear They will keep on killing until they're stopped.
 
Pray for those families.
Grief makes people say some crazy things. (To be charitable, I'm going to chalk it up to grief.)
I saw the uncle of the Houston soldier interviewed by Matt Lauer on tv this morning.
The uncle essentially blamed the government and the army saying we reacted too slowly. He said we should have offered a $100 mil ransom (yes, that's $100,000,000) for the soldiers and offered to release all of the mujahadin that he said the Iraqi government is going to release anyway. I don't like Lauer, but he did at least question the wisdom of doing that.
Obviously, the uncle isn't thinking straight...However, I'm just waiting for the dems to pick up the drumbeat...
 
Didn't work in Chechnya, won't work in Iraq

Therefore, when fighting cockroaches fight like a cockroach; they kill two of ours twenty of theirs should die. Is such a process barbaric? Yes. But then again, war is barbaric; let's play to win. Let's line up all suspected terrorist insurgents in Iraq and make them walk the roads they mined with IEDs...
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The Russians tried that, and all it did was make the "insurgents" get whipped into a higher frenzy of "righteousness against the crusaders."

Also didn't work for the Soviets in Afghanistan.
 
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Therefore, when fighting cockroaches fight like a cockroach; they kill two of ours twenty of theirs should die. Is such a process barbaric? Yes. But then again, war is barbaric; let's play to win. Let's line up all suspected terrorist insurgents in Iraq and make them walk the roads they mined with IEDs...

The Russians tried that, and all it did was make the "insurgents" get whipped into a higher frenzy of "righteousness against the crusaders."

Also didn't work for the Soviets in Afghanistan.




No, but it worked great for Black Jack Pershing and us in the Philippines...
 
Why are checkpoints manned with only three lightly armed coalition warriors, when the terrorists are known to operate in larger squads, and use RPGs as well as heavy weapons?

Perhaps we should allow Murtha, Kerry and their ilk the opportunity to experience first hand the nature of the conflict in Iraq, by posting them to a checkpoint and not letting them leave until they have survived an attack.
 
Geeze, we invade a country, over throw its ruler, station men with guns through the towns and cities and the people who live there attack and kill forces from the invading army. go figure that.
 
"Geeze, we invade a country, over throw its ruler, station men with guns through the towns and cities and the people who live there attack and kill forces from the invading army. go figure that."

Michael Moore appreciates your insight and support.
 
Whats a fat movie maker have to do with anything?

If a bunch of Iraqi soldiers came to your town, drove tanks through the streets shooting at cars who got to close, blew up your neighbors houses with bombs from the sky with no warning, terrorized families by kicked in doors looking for suspects, what would you do?

I don't get the shock and outrage at people who are defending their homeland from foreigners with guns.

Maybe if we heeded the founders advice and minded our own business and avoided foreign adventures. Pfc. Menchaca and Pfc. Tucker would be alive today.

This failed Wilsonian foreign policy should of been left on the dust heap of history long ago. It was failed and backwards in 1917, and its failed and backwards in 2006.

America goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. - John Quincy Adams

Shame that so much wisdom of the founders has been uttery lost and forgotten today.
 
Davec,

You analogy is wrong. It is not the local citizens in Iraq that are doing the fighting but foregin elements that are coming from Syria, and Iran. Yes, some local Iraqis have joined the fight but in large most of the insurgent fighters in Iraq are foregin. When we first invaded Iraq in 2003, many Iraqi soliders shed there uniforms, and faught guerilla warfare, but most of them have been pushed out of the picture by foregin jihaist. Now you may not want to believe it but it is true. Do a seach on the net. Though I agree with you we should not be in Iraq, or to that matter Afganistan, and the Wilsonian policy is deeply flawed.
 
Shame that so much wisdom of the founders has been uttery lost and forgotten today
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Since 1945, it has been acknowledged that isolationism will not protect America. Indeed, isolationism was President Wilson's foreign diplomacy.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/wilsonadministration.htm


Vestiges of the isolationist policy also delayed Roosevelt's entry of the US into WWII - at a time when Hitler was weaker.

Be grateful indeed that we did not follow it.
 
Yesterday before the bodies were found, my local paper ran a report that an Iraqui farmer had witnessed the kidnapping. He described how it had happened and when asked if he knew where the two boys had been taken, he was quoted as saying, "I don't know and don't care. Whatever they get, they have coming. It's their fault that my life is so dificult." I wonder just how widespread this attitude is in Iraq.
 
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/w...81b30-e6fb-42a5-8aab-c31bfab503cc&k=46472&p=2


Ahmed Khalaf Falah, a farmer who said he witnessed the abduction of the Americans on Friday, said three Humvees were manning a U.S. checkpoint near Youssifiyah, about 20 kilometres south of Baghdad, when they came under fire from many directions.

Two Humvees chased after the assailants, but the third was attacked before it could move, he told AP. Seven masked gunmen, including one carrying what appeared to be a heavy machine gun, killed the driver of the third vehicle, then took the other two soldiers captive, Falah said.

Falah said tensions were high in the area as U.S. troops raided some houses and detained men in looking for the missing soldiers. He said the Americans were setting up checkpoints on all roads leading into the area of the attack and helicopters were hovering at low altitudes.

A Youssifiyah resident, who said his house was searched by U.S. soldiers Sunday afternoon, said the Americans were using translators to offer $100,000 US for information leading to those who took the soldiers.

The U.S. military denied a reward had been offered. It said only that coalition and Iraqi forces were continuing the search and "will continue to use every resource available."

The man in Youssifiyah said he would not co-operate.

"I will not do it even if they pay one million dollars," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared retribution. "They deserve all that they are facing . . . we are living a hard life because of them."
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We know who the new AQ in Iraq leader is and presumably whom and where his family are located. His family should just start disappearing, no publicity, no gloating. When you wrestle with pigs you both get dirty but there is no rule that says the pig has to enjoy it.:cuss:
 
This is such a bad generalization but I have to state it.

It seems that we have McClellan's for generals instead of Grant's.

Those insurgents did it right though. I can't help but admire how they pulled off the mission. A hit and run attack and divide and conquer. Classic. Seemingly pulled off flawlessly. They are getting better. Much better.
I figure all the dumb ones have been killed off and the smarter, savvy ones are learning how to operate on a low-level attrition operational strategy knowing how, where, and when patrols go out and basically acting as SOG's on coalition force checkpoints.
As for the brutal way the soldiers were killed. That's just war. Believe me, there will be payback. And if the NCO's don't get a strong handle on their grunts, we're going to see some awful stuff.
 
Ever since the Soviet Union went down the tubes, we've been on a crusade to reduce our Navy, reduce our Airforce, downsize troop strength in the USMC and Army. While we're doing that...lets leave Subic, and Clark AFB, pull out of Okinawa.

When I got out of Highschool in 1983, troop strength for the USMC was 400,000. I hear now it's one fourth of that...

We all know what happened to our Military during the Clinton administration...Somalia comes to mind. Base closures were the "in" thing to do with the left. Now...here comes Rumsfeld with his continuation of Clinton's policies of base closures.

It's been four years now...the model of South East Asian low intensity warfare is not working. WW2 was over in five years, fighting world wide on two fronts. It's a tragedy what has been done to our Military...it's been reduced to a shadow of it's former self while Washington can't figure out why we haven't pacified Iraq and Afghanistan.

Make no mistake about it...we in deep trouble here. Putin just stated a month ago the Cold war was back on! They're in a Military/Economic alliance with the Communist Chinese...despite Washington says they are our friends. The Russians posses the inovation for new weapons systems, while the Chinese bring cash for R&D into the picture.

Bush only has a few years left in office...with his weird brand of Conservatism he's managed to alienate the entire Nation against himself. The Nations equates him with the RNC as one entity. It's seriously looking like the Democrats will take both Houses in November...and we all know what that means.
 
Bush only has a few years left in office...with his weird brand of Conservatism he's managed to alienate the entire Nation against himself. The Nations equates him with the RNC as one entity. It's seriously looking like the Democrats will take both Houses in November...and we all know what that means.
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Don't assume the Dems are taking control.

And don't assume Bush is in any way a "conservative." The only thing he wants to conserve is dynastic power.
 
Davec======If I lived in a country under a dictator or totalitarian government if I had any sense I would welcome an invading force that came with guns to take out the government. Why do you think you would not. Unless you are on the side of the bad guys. I realize many in Iraq were supportors of Saddam who ruled the majority with the support of the minority. I have no problem that France helped us win the Revolution.. I can't help it that those in France today are mostly lefties who forget we saved their butts. I can almost forgive them for their ignorance as they are indoctrinated Commies and its child the Socialists. I have a bad feeling these guys were severely abused. I just hope they were dead when the worst was done. O'Reiley said he would not describe the brutality in whole but did mention their eyes were poked out and many parts of their bodies were butchered. Remember what these people do to demean the men they kill. They stuff the victums mouth with their genitals.. I saw some pictures on the web of this from Afganistian. They do this before they are dead.:cuss:
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From the AOL board...

<<< Mcgarrydst wrote:


There are no WMDS in Iraq. No reason for us to still be there.The Iraqi people are excercising "democracy" by killing American occupiers. This is all so pointless. Bush has the blood of these men on his hands

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My reply: "The Iraqi people"? And you compare terrorism to democracy? Now I have heard everything. I beg to differ-- if you really care about what the Iraqi people think, then why don't you listen to some of them?...

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http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

Thursday, June 08, 2006
ZARQAWI KILLED!!
"Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has just announced the death of terror leader Abu Musa'ab al-Zarqawi in a joint press conference with Ambassador Khalil Zad.

Al-Maliki explained that Zarqawi (and 7 of his aides) was killed in an air raid in the little town of Hibhib 8 km north of Baquba after receiving tips from residents in the area.

CONGRATULATIONS TO IRAQ, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WHOLE WORLD ON THIS VICTORY.

Hibhib is a small town several kilometers to the northwest of Baquba and most of its people are from the Azzawi tribes.
It was quite visible lately that Hibhib became a place for intense terror activity, especially after the phenomenon of severed heads appeared. Severed heads of civilian Iraqis were found twice in fruit boxes in and around Hibhib; a terrible crime that shocked Iraqis.
Also a few days ago 19 passengers, mostly students were murdered in cold blood just north of Hibhib which indicated that a seriously bloody terror cell was in this area.

There had been several reports about Zarqawi fleeing Anbar to Diyala after the tribes in Ramadi turned against al-Qaeda but obviously, Diyala and its suburbs and Iraqi tribes were not willing to endorse the head chopping criminal..."

Posted by Omar @ 11:45

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This latest atrocity is claimed to be "in retaliation" for the killing of Zarqawi. Uh-huh. We take out a murderous thug that no one likes, and Al-Qaida tortures and kills 2 PFCs. We should have just left Z alone and everything would be fine, yup...
 
"Don't assume the Dems are taking control.

And don't assume Bush is in any way a "conservative." The only thing he wants to conserve is dynastic power."

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Agreed...Bush is not my idea of a Conservative. I'm hoping you're right about the Dems not seizing control...
 
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