France does it again

Status
Not open for further replies.
B

BB93YJ

Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2003
Messages
269
France to Israel: No evidence Hamas, Islamic Jihad are ''terror groups''
25-08-2003


France expressed objections to placing Hamas and Islamic Jihad on the European Union(EU)'s list of "terror organizations", according to an Israeli report on Monday.

Israel's Yediot Aharonot website reported that diplomatic advisor to French President Jacques Chirac, Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, told the Israeli ambassador in France, Nissim Zvilli, during a weekend meeting, that there is no evidence that these two organizations are "terror groups."

"If we find that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are indeed terror groups opposed to peace, we may have to change the EU's stand," Gordo conveyed. "However, we mustn't limit ourselves to one, clear cut, position."

The meeting between Zvilli and Gordo, said to be Chirac's right hand man, took place in the framework of Israeli lobbying efforts to include the two Palestinian groups in the EU "terror list".

Some two months ago, the EU added the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestinian to its list, enabling European countries to freeze these groups' assets, and impose other sanctions on them.

France, according to Gordo, is opposed to placing both Hamas and Islamic Jihad on the EU list, and believes Israel should deal with its "terror threats" through political, rather than military, channels.

In addition, with regards to Yasser Arafat's status, the French, according to the report, refused to accept the United States' and Israel's position. When Arafat was discussed in the meeting between Zvilli and the French official, the latter expressed the "legitimacy" of Arafat as opposed to the lack of it regarding the Palestinian Premier, Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen).

In the meantime, Israeli Foreign Ministry officials expressed anger and outrage at the French stance regarding the two palestinian groups. "Such an attitude is one of criminal negligence. It refuses to assume responsibility over the war against terror and thus legitimizes - terrorism." (Albawaba.com)

Yeah, right...must be a bunch of Freedom Fighters.
:barf:
 
How about ETA? Think quickly, Jacque. Terrorists or freedom fighters?

Mike :rolleyes:
 
"France: No evidence Hamas, Islamic Jihad are 'terror groups'' ?"

Snort!

Spit!

Grandfather was a WWI "doughboy", although badly burned, survived a Chemical attack (Mustard Gas?).

Dad was a WWII Army Infantryman, European Theatre early on, but mostly in the Pacific Theater, Silver Star recipient.

Oldest brother is a Vietnam Era vet, right after The Frogs bailed.

Nephew is a Lance Corporal Marine, now serving in Okinawa.

France will get NOTHING ELSE from my family, except our everlasting contempt.

Hork! Pitoo!

[edited a bit to define situations]
 
Last edited:
Chirac is pandering to his huge muslim population who adamently believe the Palestinians are "freedom fighters". France and greater Europe would be estatic if Israel and every Jew would cease to exist. Being a statesmen and leader means doing whats right, not whats popular...and Chirac is as spineless as they come.
 
Well, if the Basque separatist blow up a bus in France, I guess we can call them political activist when the French start to scream.
 
I'm still in favor of liberating france again, or at least telling them that. the amount of soiled underwear would be well worth the cost of the long distance call from washington to paris.
 
Perhaps France's position makes sense if one assume France to be a Muslim country as opposed to a traditional western country.

http://www.danielpipes.org/pf.php?id=272

Muslim France
by Daniel Pipes
Middle East Forum Wire
October 1, 1995

[N.B.: The following reflects what the author submitted, and not exactly what was published. To obtain the precise text of what was printed, please check the original place of publication.]

With eight bombings or attempting bombings in three months, France is convulsing over the problems of terrorism, fundamentalist Islam, and Algeria. During a recent trip to France, spent in Paris and at the Riviera, this writer had an opportunity to concentrate on the Middle Eastern dimension of life in that country. What's happening there will probably come as a surprise to most Americans.

Problems. With a population of over three million Muslims, about half of them citizens, France has the largest Islamic presence of any country in Western Europe, both absolute and relative. Of this number, some 90 percent have North African origins (Algeria especially, followed by Morocco and Tunisia). In addition, France suffers particularly acutely from several problems.

(1) The Muslims live more concentratedly together in what the French call the "suburbs of Islam." In part, this reflects a characteristically European difference from the United States: whereas here the affluent and the middle class have virtually abandoned the city for the suburbs (in order to have more space), in France and most of Europe, the well-off have stayed in the city (wanting to travel less). This has relegated immigrants and other poor to dreary "suburbs" in the periphery of the cities. In the French case especially, Muslims tend to live isolated from others, creating their own subculture and building their own resentments.

(2) Muslims engage disproportionately in criminal activity, and mostly of a violent nature. Muslim youth gangs, not all that different from American gangs of the inner cities, for example, like their counterparts here, smash a stolen car into a luxury store, push aside the bewildered shopkeeper, and run off with the loot. It's gotten to the point that Arabs intimidate the French without specific reason. For example, the household I visited in the Riviera employs three gardeners, named Nabil, Ali, and Mustafa. Although one of the three has proven to be incompetent, the owners of the house dare not fire him, fearing retribution. When I asked if they knew of violence in other cases of dismissal, they said no, they simply had a bad feeling. Behind the idyllic appearance of the Côte d'Azur, in other words, lurk some quite powerful fears.

(3) Terrorism committed by Muslims takes place more often than elsewhere. One spasm of violence took place in 1986; another has occurred over the past three months, including attacks on a busy subway station and a Jewish school. The terror has prompted not only a massive manhunt (which led to a shootout and death of the apparently lead perpetrator) but a host of security measures. Public trash bins throughout Paris have been sealed tight (to prevent them from being used as bomb containers) and air travelers must run a gamut of physical and paper obstacles. The police set up impromptu road blocks here and there, causing traffic delays. Virtually every person I talked to agrees that the French population, famously ornery when it comes to authority, has accepted these inconveniences without complaint. This, they further agree, points to the widespread conviction that the country needs to protect itself.

Future of the country. Beyond these specific problems, some French believe the very nature of their country to be in play. One prominent journalist in Paris told me he thinks that France may change from what it is into an Arab and Muslim country in the course of the next century. How so? He pointed to two main trends, the demographic and the political. The French, like almost all modern peoples, are not sustaining their own population even as the nearby North Africans have one of the highest rates of reproduction in the world. Over time, he holds, the North Africans will ineluctably fill the vacuum in France.

Secondly, there's the matter of will. As a post-Christian country, he sees the French lacking the will to maintain their own against the powerful wishes of the Muslim immigrants. As the latter population gains in numbers and sophistication, he sees a real possibility of French civilization drying up and the country fundamentally changing course.

I checked out this astonishing prediction with others and found that while no one else put the case so strongly as did the journalist, no one entirely disagreed with him either. Rather, a wide agreement seems to exist that unless something changes, the historic French population will over the long term not be able to control the immigrant population. Needless to say, this prospect worries more than a few of the French.

From www.danielpipes.org | Original article available at: www.danielpipes.org/article/272
 
I seem to recall a french canadian character in a Bugs Bunny cartoon by the name of Jacques Chirac (or something very close). With that in mind, much of what the french do makes a lot of sense.:evil:
 
France has two very bad options:

1. They can fall back on their fine tradition of liquidating undesirable minorites (ask the Hugenots, if you can still find 'em), and risk setting off a jihad at home.

2. France becomes the first democratically elected Islamist superpower, with a homegrown nuclear arsenal. That would suck eggs.
 
It wouldn't be that bad, I bet France would last a total of 3 hours against us, nuclear weapons or not. I bet they would piss themselves before surrendering...or being incinerated.
 
guys,

France still considers itself to have a role independent of most of the West in the Middle East, and isnt going to act against that role by doing what the US and Israel tell it - which should be clear enough from recent history. Why get yourself in trouble by aligning with the two most hated countries in the Arab world?

Hamas and Islamic Jihad arent terrorists against it, and as some have noted (though the effect of muslim immigration on French opinion is overrated - certainly they are hard on their "own" Muslim extremists like the GIA), a large section of the French population would probably oppose their being treated as terror-group (in fact a large number of Europeans would probably oppose the targetting of Hamas and IJ in this way, which is more about criminalizing them).
 
2. France becomes the first democratically elected Islamist superpower, with a homegrown nuclear arsenal. That would suck eggs.
Click to expand...
Uh. France is not a superpower. They're a power, with nukes. And cheese. Lots of cheese.

Agricola-

Of course. I understand why they're doing it. 1. They want to maintain freedom to maneuver in the Islamic world, 2. they have an at-home population of arabs to quell and 3. they're doing their level best to be petulant and surly in the face of American power. None of these facts, however, remove one iota of idiocy from their position.

Sure, there is a reason why they're saying stupid things, but they're still saying stupid things.

Mike
 
Last edited:
weird frenchies...

btw, can I get a source for that report (the first one)? Just want to read further if there is more...
 
I think Newsmax ran that story a few days ago.

Chirac suffers from delusions of adequecy.

France has managed to transform itself from a second rate, has been, that was at least consulted from time to time out of respect for what it had been, to a truley first rate, third world country, that almost no one gives a :cuss: about!
 
It doesn't matter if it's the political or military wing of Hamas. The participants are still terrorists. Hamas has taken credit for terrorist acts.

It's outrageous but not surprising that the Frogs don't consider them terrorists.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

F
  • Locked
Arafat must be stopped
Replies
3
Views
587
C.R.Sam
C
2
  • Locked
European Fears of the Gathering Jihad
Replies
0
Views
334
2dogs
2
C
  • Locked
Terrorism Is Big Money For PA
Replies
0
Views
420
CMichael
C
F
  • Locked
The price of intransigence
Replies
2
Views
460
7.62FullMetalJacket
7
G
  • Locked
Hamas Wins Landslide 76 Seats
2
Replies
43
Views
1K
BadAsh87
B
Back
Top