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If you gotta have one, there's the FAB10.

A rifle I would never buy or shoot, Mini-14.

A rifle I have never shot but if you buy one, make sure it's a newer model or an old one that's been upgraded, Robinson Arms M96. The reason for the upgrades is the FACT that there were some older ones that went KABOOM. You can get it here but it will be without a pistol grip.

If all else fails, buy a bolt gun. It will be far more accurate then these three.
 
i have a mini 14 i bought in 2000 with at least 3000 rounds not one problem. the only problem is the accuracy is not there like in my bushmaster because the mini 14 barrel is so skinny.
 
The people bad mouthing the Mini-14 do not know what they are talking about.

CUT THE BARREL DOWN TO 16" - You will have a 2-3 MOA gun with no POI shift as the gun heats up.

It will be the most reliable gun you have ever owned if you use factory or PMI mags.

It will do the job. If someone tells you that "I had one. It was so inaccurate... " They did not cut the barrel down so their experience is irrelevent.
 
It will do the job. If someone tells you that "I had one. It was so inaccurate... " They did not cut the barrel down so their experience is irrelevent.
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If I bought a rifle that needed gunsmithing to work correctly then it is fairly close to a POS. If that one modification makes a huge difference, then the company should be doing that to it before its sent out.

The fact is you need to drop another $100 or greater on a Mini 14 for barrel cutting/recrowning and muzzle break and a new gas block to get it to where it SHOULD be stock! Already on top of what IMO is an overpriced rifle to begin with. So if somebody buys a mini expecting it to not be a project gun and is disappointed with its factory issued condition, I think thats hardly irrelevent. Not everyone knows about all the after market work that must be done to make it a worthy rifle.
 
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Unless you absolutely positively HAVE to have a .223, why not consider an SKS, Yugo or other flavor? The 7.62 x 39 has a greater range than the .223/5.56 and ammo is cheaper and plentiful.
 
IMHO the mini-14 will in fact get the job done. I agree with most that for the money there are better values available given price and performance. But with the limited options available to those trapped behind enemy lines in Ca. the mini-14 is something that they can in fact make work. It is first of all legal to buy and own there. It is in fact very reliable with stock 5 round mags (and in my experience the pro-mag 10 rounders...though I haven't tried the PMI or Thermolds). And you can most certainly thump center mass at 100 yards without trouble (that is not to say that it is accurate...but accurate enough to get the job done). If in Ca. I would prefer other choices but I would be able to made do with the mini-14. Would select the standard version with the better rear iron sight (non-ranch version), add a muzzle brake that reportadly helps shrink groups, and a couple of pro-mag 10 rounders. Break it in right while dialing in the sights as best as I could get and then practice.
 
Unless you absolutely positively HAVE to have a .223, why not consider an SKS, Yugo or other flavor? The 7.62 x 39 has a greater range than the .223/5.56 and ammo is cheaper and plentiful.
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You sure about that?


I have a 7.63 X 39 rifle, and as much as I love it, I would disagree


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I disagree about the range part. My rifle starts getting serious drop past 250+yards compared to a .223 or even 5.45


however ammo is cheap
 
IMHO the mini-14 will in fact get the job done. I agree with most that for the money there are better values available given price and performance. But with the limited options available to those trapped behind enemy lines in Ca. the mini-14 is something that they can in fact make work.
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Oh I think the mini can do a great job once the work is done to it, and its a slick looking gun. I just take issue with sneering at somebodys opinion of performance pre-aftermarket work.
 
Mistake...

""Unless you absolutely positively HAVE to have a .223, why not consider an SKS, Yugo or other flavor? The 7.62 x 39 has a greater range than the .223/5.56 and ammo is cheaper and plentiful.""



Ahhhhh.No..... the .223 has a greater range than the 7.62x39 easily. Ballistic damage done by the 7.62 @ 200 - 250 yrds is greater...but AR's win beyond that range EASILY....


MaceWindu...
 
I have a 7.63 X 39 rifle, and as much as I love it, I would disagree
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Round these parts, 7,62x39 runs about $80 per 1000 for russian ammo, and about $95-110 for .223
Maximum range depends on the ammo involved. A 35gr Vmax in a .223 is going to run out of gas a lot quicker than a 90gr VLD load.
 
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I disagree about the range part. My rifle starts getting serious drop past 250+yards compared to a .223 or even 5.45


however ammo is cheap"
 
The Mini-14 is fine for certain applications, especially in CA where our choices are limited.

Are you planning on shooting in a competition where you need to shoot the pimples on a gnats ass at 200 yards?

Or do you just want a reliable gun that can hit, let's say, a grapefruit 200 yards (which mine does out of the box all day long)?

If you want a self defense gun the Mini-14 works. It'll hit a human sized taget plenty far out. No you won't be a sniper with one, but it hits the paper, can's or what ever with factory mags. I've got over 10K rnds through mine with no problems.

Would I like a scary accurate, pistol grip, folding stock, secret agent style, black as night, polymer/titanium/unobtanium ported bull barelled, semi auto, 50rnd capacity gun? Sure. But I'm in Kali. So my $500.00 Mini-14 works just fine for now.
 
Ahhhhh.No..... the .223 has a greater range than the 7.62x39 easily. Ballistic damage done by the 7.62 @ 200 - 250 yrds is greater...but AR's win beyond that range EASILY....
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Unfortunately, I'm at work and unable to access any ballistics tables, so I can't provide hard data to disagree. However, a 122 gr bullet moving at 2500+fps should outdistance a 55 gr bullet moving at 3200 or so fps. Over twice the weight and about a third less velocity. Bullet drop would be more with the 7.62, but terminal ballistics (and accuracy) would be better. No?
 
Hmmmm...

Then why are most of the HighPower competitions won by AR's? I have not heard of one highpower competition won with a 7.62x39?

http://battlerifles.com/viewtopic.php?t=31313&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30


Read the thread by CornBread2 about 1/2 way down the page.....


The .223 is SUPERIOR to the 7.62x39 after about 250 meters!!! Sorry guys an AR is SUPERIOR to the AK after about 300 meters EASILY!!!

Read the thread.....

MaceWindu
 
Then why are most of the HighPower competitions won by AR's? I have not heard of one highpower competition won with a 7.62x39?
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I can't get to that website right now either, so I'll take your word for it. By "highpower competitions" you mean the ability to PUNCH HOLES IN PAPER? Granted, the AR is a more accurate weapon than the the AK, (and also more prone to malfunction) but I don't think that is what we're talking about. I thought we're talking about terminal ballistics at longer ranges-ie killing power.
 
SU16 or mini-14 would be the two real options. Of those, I would probably take the SU16. A little less expensive, and a little more accurate.

I love the feel and the concept of the mini-14, but, man, come'on Ruger, put a real barrel on there.

I live in Oregon, so I have more choices, but when I was initially looking at the Mini-14, I decided on a SKS instead. Less than 1/2 the price, more reliable and more accurate.

I.G.B.
 
I cant remember the name of the rifle exactly but they have a new California legal AR-15. I guess you have to take out the rear pin every time tou load it because it had a fixed ten round top loading mag. Looked just like an AR just w/o the "evil" looking mag stickin out the bottom. Oh yeah its a .223 also...............duh.:D :neener:
 
unless you are using it for self defense, get a FAB10, then when you move to a free state, sell the lower and buy a bushmaster lower.

atek3
 
I can't get to that website right now either, so I'll take your word for it. By "highpower competitions" you mean the ability to PUNCH HOLES IN PAPER? Granted, the AR is a more accurate weapon than the the AK, (and also more prone to malfunction) but I don't think that is what we're talking about. I thought we're talking about terminal ballistics at longer ranges-ie killing power.
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bullet drop on the 39 again gets pretty darn bad after 300m, which also means it looses a lot more of its energy

by severe I think its starts dropping over 18" *

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Thin barrel?! Okay you asked for it! (pic)

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Thats from about 80 yrds and that is a DIME for reference.
Okay, fellas!! Put up your dukes!!!


ASI mini 14:

- 9/10 of an inch bull barrel, teflon coated, Douglas, 20 inches
- Bedded in 3 points
- Recoil buffer
- 3.5lbs trigger job
- Enlarged gas block
- CQB Solutions 3 point sling
- 11 degree crown
- GUARANTEED 1/2 MOA from ASI

Reliable, accurate. This will SMOKE any SKS or AK....:neener:


MaceWindu (Yes, it does shoot a purple flame from the barrel!!!)
 
Say hello to my litt'l frien!!!

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Reliable as the Garand and the M-14 (Hence, mini-14). Won't jam like the AR when you blow dust on it and its a TACK DRIVAH!!!:D

MaceWindu (Don't need the force when I have this!!!)
 
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