Jim, they already have 6 shot j-frames, at 23oz and a fairly stiff srp of 900+. The ruger sp101 is compact even though armed bear scoffs at that idea, but it is a heavy guy even though it's small. The LCR I don't think can take the pressures of the .327, they are higher than .357 mag typical pressures, at least when the .327 is at its hottest. .32 smith is not cheap and neither is .32 H&R so it'll never oust the .38 as a target gun or plinker. It really only does one thing really well, give you an extra 1 to two shots and in that respect it will be stick around and be a cult caliber just like the .32 h&r. Another thing that hurts it is that people like guns of common caliber, and since most people have full size .357, .44, or .45 the .327 will never have as big a share of the snub market as the .38 special or .357. Eventually one maybe....maybe two companies will make small amounts of .327's and .32 fans will keep the cartridge alive but it will never be a big player. Right now charter arms sells a 4" j-frame type with adjustable sights and a snub nose version, smith has some snubs, ruger has the big black hawk, the gp100, and a couple of of different length sp101's, thats pretty much something for everyone and I think charter has the ticket in it's two offerings, we will see how the market responds.
Future of the 327 Federal?
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To add to what cz85cmbt says:
Freedom Arms makes the model 97 chambered for it, any barrel length you want.
USFA makes a single action for it too. I think its a 7.5" barrel with adjustable sights but don't quote me on it.
My local shop just got in the GP100 chambered in it, I think I will have to make a stop down there to check it out. It would serve me well in the handgun hunting role and be a good partner for the sp101. I would rather have the blackhawk, but I could make a gp work too. hmmmm.
Freedom Arms makes the model 97 chambered for it, any barrel length you want.
USFA makes a single action for it too. I think its a 7.5" barrel with adjustable sights but don't quote me on it.
My local shop just got in the GP100 chambered in it, I think I will have to make a stop down there to check it out. It would serve me well in the handgun hunting role and be a good partner for the sp101. I would rather have the blackhawk, but I could make a gp work too. hmmmm.
It weighs a full 3 lbs. empty.
My .44 Magnum woods gun weighs less, loaded with BIG lead slugs that go nice and fast.
The .327 is a very impressive mouse caliber, but it's nothing worth carrying an over-3 lb. single action.
3 lb. guns are fine for range toys, but there's no reason not to shoot a standard sixgun in a standard caliber (mostly .22 or .38/.357) at the range. Heavy guns are also fine if they're serious hunting revolvers, which would mean .41 Magnum as a minimum caliber -- you don't need something that big to shoot .357, to say nothing of .327, if you're going to carry it all day.
That's why people have said they'd rather see a Single Six. It would weigh more than a pound less, with the same barrel length.
Of course, I figure you should go buy one if you want. Nothing is as stupid as the posts that defend one's right to buy stuff. Go buy stuff. I have a couple Blackhawks, and I'm starting to feel like buying another one. It won't be an 8-shot .327, though. And I sure don't think obese 8-shot single actions are what will make this cartridge successful.
Six shots, under a pound, and a price that's not laughable, and I'll be interested -- like I said, I have two J-frames, and I like them. .327 makes a lot of sense in a 6-shot pocket gun. Until then, revolvers in .22LR/WMR, .38/.357 and .44 will continue to serve me just fine -- as they have the overwhelming majority of wheelgunners for decades now. Maybe a .45 Colt will get added in there, but, truth be told, I'll probably buy it to shoot wax, if I do get one.
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nonseven
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The real Jewel here would be a 5 or 6 shot scandium alloy, titanium cylinder J-Frame at about 11 ounces. No where would the lighter recoil of the .327 be appreciated more than here.
zfk55
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Lighter recoil?? Have you fired one loaded with a 115gr at 45,000 psi? Mine is a 2.5". You're in for a surprise.
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nonseven
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Lighter than what? Than a 158gr .357 full charge? Yes.
zfk55
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Mild, it isn't nonseven, and its all relative to the revolver weights isn't it.
Firing it alongside my .357 the .327 feels like a lot more recoil and the muzzle flip is substantially more than my .357.
Its all relative.
zfk55
Firing it alongside my .357 the .327 feels like a lot more recoil and the muzzle flip is substantially more than my .357.
Its all relative.
zfk55
I would think a 48oz. 51/2"b Blackhawk in any caliber would be a easy packin gun anywhere in the country.The fact that it shoots 8 is just a plus in my way of thinking.
I guess I'm speaking from someone who hunts with big revolvers and spends a lot of time in the woods,a hunters propective and a big Ruger fan. This gun is very useful to hunters or people that stay in the woods all the time doing whatever. Ruger has a good idea,This will be a perfect packin for the outdoors.I hope they offer it in a 71/2" myself, but I will have that 5.5 Stainless.
AB,your right..I guess I like buying stuff too.
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By "the country", do you mean "the USA" or "rural Georgia"?
Because, if you mean "anywhere in the USA" you need to come out this way. It's not that we don't pack full-sized revolvers. There's just no reason to pack a full-sized revolver that doesn't shoot a real cartridge, if you're going to carry it up a mountain. "Mountain" means something different here, too, by about 8000 feet.
You don't even want to KNOW what we call upland bird hunting here.
The hell if I'm going to use a shoulder rig to carry a .32 revolver, either.
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"I would think a 48oz. 51/2"b Blackhawk in any caliber would be a easy packin gun anywhere in the country.The fact that it shoots 8 is just a plus in my way of thinking."
Rechamber it to .30 Carbine and fire form 32-20 brass into a .30 Carbine Rim; load a .312" Cast Performance 118gr LFN over a max charge of H-110....now that would make an 8-round .32 caliber single action worth noticing.
"I would think a 48oz. 51/2"b Blackhawk in any caliber would be a easy packin gun anywhere in the country.The fact that it shoots 8 is just a plus in my way of thinking."
Rechamber it to .30 Carbine and fire form 32-20 brass into a .30 Carbine Rim; load a .312" Cast Performance 118gr LFN over a max charge of H-110....now that would make an 8-round .32 caliber single action worth noticing.
Some .327 Federal loads exceed .38 spl +p in energy. Does that also make the .38 a mouse caliber?
Not saying the .327 Federal is ideal, or even good, but I look at it as a respectable compromise (more shots and energy than some .38 spl +p load, less recoil than full house .357 magnum).
Compact is relative, I will agree there.
However, FOR ME, the dimensions of the SP 101 is compact... it easily fits in just about any nook and cranny for CCW for me.
I understand the weight argument, but for me that is not an issue. If I'm going to shoot a full house .357 magnum load, I welcome all the weight to kill some of the recoil. I'd rather pack around more weight than carry one of those feather weight titanium/scandium revolvers that by their nature are going to have more muzzle flip.
It is all relative though. Others will naturally disagree and prefer the smaller and lighter compacts for CCW.
This hasn't been my experience at all. I have sp101s in .327 and .357mag and the .327 recoils less and is easier to control follow up shots compared to .357 magnum loads. Out of a blackhawk, I would imagine the recoil to be not any issue at all.
I put a GP100 in .327 federal magnum on layaway today. Can't wait to try it out, It should be a good pairing to my sp101. I consider the GP and the Blackhawk to be relatively easy guns to pack into the woods with. I regularly carry a Vaquero in .45 colt, Blackhawk in .45 colt or a GP100 in .357 magnum while camping and hiking and have never thought that the weight was too much.
nonseven
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In a gun of the same weight, citibus paribus, the .327 should be less recoil than the .357.
Freedom Arms and United States Fire Arms are on the bandwagon. They did the cartridge justice. Smaller frame guns with target sights in a single action.
I'm a .32 caliber junkie. The .327 Federal is a welcome addition and given Ruger, FA, USFA, and others support in the last year....it is here to stay. Guns are being built now that will support multiple cartridges up to the 32-20....all with the same frame and just two cylinders.
Some folks really need to pull their heads out of the sand.
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I'm a .32 caliber junkie. The .327 Federal is a welcome addition and given Ruger, FA, USFA, and others support in the last year....it is here to stay. Guns are being built now that will support multiple cartridges up to the 32-20....all with the same frame and just two cylinders.
Some folks really need to pull their heads out of the sand.
giz
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I like the idea of the .327 Federal Magnum, but if reasonably-priced factory ammo doesn't start getting into shooters' hands, it could well become the .41 Magnum of the 21st Century...
Well the Old Fuff is neither, and I've shot everything from .177 pellets to .500 S&W Magnum - and of course .45-70 in a revolver a few times.
In my experienced opinion, the .32's have their place, and in the collection I would include the .30 M1 Carbine. While I wouldn't choose a .32 to take to a gunfight, I also wouldn't consider myself hopelessly lost if that's what I had, and I have carried both .32 pistols and revolvers on occasion. More often then not what decides the outcome of a fight is the nerve and skill of the shooter, not what particular gun or caliber cartridge they are carrying.
But where these cartridges really shine is in the accuracy department. Also if you handload they are inexpensive to turn out in terms of powder and lead, and with the exception of the .32-20, cases tend to last forever. They excell for target shooting and just plain fun. I generally don't ask for more.
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Okay, here is my .02 cents.
The real problem isn't this cartridge not having a place in the revolver world. The problem is the ongoing battle between auto and revolver.
This revolver is basically an attempt to create 9mm +P performance and higher capacity in a revolver. In fact, the way I understand it, it can be loaded to 9mm +P+ (which is basically a 9mm Magnum in many ways)....
But, who wants that when you can get a compact 9mm, get the same thing, and have more bullets?
I'm not saying this is dead on the table, but the question was already addressed, "Who wants a revolver that replicates high-pressure 9mm loads? Especially when 9mm is cheaper.
Those that like revolvers is the simplest answer.... but is that enough of a market to justify this cartridge becoming widespread? Not likely.
But, we will see, I like it.
The real problem isn't this cartridge not having a place in the revolver world. The problem is the ongoing battle between auto and revolver.
This revolver is basically an attempt to create 9mm +P performance and higher capacity in a revolver. In fact, the way I understand it, it can be loaded to 9mm +P+ (which is basically a 9mm Magnum in many ways)....
But, who wants that when you can get a compact 9mm, get the same thing, and have more bullets?
I'm not saying this is dead on the table, but the question was already addressed, "Who wants a revolver that replicates high-pressure 9mm loads? Especially when 9mm is cheaper.
Those that like revolvers is the simplest answer.... but is that enough of a market to justify this cartridge becoming widespread? Not likely.
But, we will see, I like it.
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