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FW: Trib editorial gun show loophole
Date: Sep 24, 2003 3:37 PM

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From: John
Subject: Trib editorial gun show loophole


Friends- As always, the Tribune is full of... uh, OPINION, but oblivious to facts:
John Spangler

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/sep/09242003/opinion/95203.asp

Close gun-show loophole





Criminals should not be able to walk into a gun show and buy firearms. But they do.
The federal Brady law requires a background check of gun purchasers, but there is a hole in the law that Congress annually refuses to patch. The law requires federally licensed gun dealers to check the backgrounds of would-be buyers, but the law does not apply the same requirement to unlicensed sellers. This loophole is particularly worrisome at gun shows, where investigations by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms have reported that criminals are able to buy guns.
Despite congressional paralysis, the Utah Legislature could close the gun-show gap with a state law. But it, too, has failed repeatedly to act. Bills drafted by former Rep. Dave Jones and by Rep. Scott Daniels, both Salt Lake City Democrats, never have gotten far in the Republican-controlled Legislature. Daniels' 2003 bill did not survive the black hole of the Rules Committee.
This is no surprise in a legislative body that this year gave people with permits to carry concealed weapons an explicit invitation to bring guns into schools. Senseless, but not surprising.
Still, the gun-show loophole takes the bloom off of otherwise encouraging statistics. A report last week showed that computerized criminal background checks on gun buyers are stopping sales not only to felons but also to people who have been convicted of misdemeanors associated with domestic violence. In fact, convicted felons are no longer the largest category of people who are denied a gun purchase.
The laws also are preventing sales to people who are subject to a protective order or an arrest warrant.
In addition, the laws deny legitimate sales to drug addicts, people who have been committed to a mental institution, illegal aliens, former members of the armed services who have been discharged under dishonorable conditions and people who have renounced U.S. citizenship.
Federally licensed gun dealers say that not many of their customers fail the background checks. In Utah, the Bureau of Criminal Identification reported that for the 12-month period through June 2003, only about 2.3 percent of the roughly 65,000 applications to buy guns were rejected.
An optimistic view is that most people who undergo a background check have clean records. A pessimistic view is that criminals know better than to try to buy guns from a legitimate dealer who will submit their names and records to scrutiny. So, they get their guns elsewhere or arrange to have someone with a clean record buy guns for them.
Closing the gun-show loophole will not solve this problem by itself, but it would help. And there's no good reason not to do it.
 
So what would happen if a guy put a sandwich board on a pickup truck and parked it across the street from the gun show with the following:

For Sale, Firearms.

Private party seeks other private parties for serious trade in personally owned firearms. Trade to take place in my home.

If interested, please call xxx-xxx-xxxx. Ask for <insert name here>
 
What about the "Classified Ads" loophole?? Or that deadly "A Guy I Work With Has a Gun For Sale Loophole"??

Let's just ban guns people....if it saves one liberal Democrat, it's worth it right?:rolleyes:
 
It's funny... I keep hearing about this "gun show loop-hole," and I look for the damned thing every time I'm at a gun show, and I simply can't find it.

Seriously, I'd like for JUST ONE of these people to come to a gun show and try to find this fabled "loop-hole," then maybe they'd realize that their head is up their ???.

As has been said before, not that it will ever be acknowledged by the "powers that be," there IS NO SUCH THING as a gun show loop-hole.

And they can bite me. :cuss:

Wes

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Let's just ban guns people....if it saves one liberal Democrat, it's worth it right?

I've got a better idea -- let's ban liberals. If it saves one gun, it's worth it. Agreed? :evil:
 
There is no loop-hole.

A. The fed.gov has no constitutional authority over private intrastate gun-sales. They only have the authority to enforce regs on FFL's since most all guns sold in one state were distributed or manufactured in another. Even then, it's stretching the interstate commerce clause as it is.

B. Private sales need not happen at a gun-show. :rolleyes:

So are they trying to ban all private sales a-la California, and hoping that couching it in "gun show" rhretoric makes it more palatable to the masses, or are they just trying to end gun shows in the mistaken belief that it's the private sales that drive their popularity?

The whole thing is rather silly since it's plainly obvious that the editorial dosen't even really have a clear goal it wants to accomplish.
 
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