Garage Door Opener Security

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Okay... The girlfriend has one of those keypads by her garage where the kids can punch in a code to get in... Seems they are completely incapable of remembering the locations of their house keys...

And it seems that they were punching random stuff, and managed to open the door... There's a "master code" and they remembered it.

And now all the neigborhood kids know it.

And the house is often like grand central station when the kids are home. You know the kind of house/mother - all the kids in the neighborhood end up there...

Then yesterday, she got home, with kids in tow, and someone had been inside, used the bathroom, and made themselves a plate of spaghetti from the fridge and nuker, and left. With the doors locked and the garage door down.

Now, I'm of the opinion that we tear the thing off the side of the house. Dogtag chain and a key always worked for me... But she wants another opener... So...

Is there anything out there that'll work?
 
The first thing she needs is a clue.

No offense, but if she fails to see the problem of someone hekping themselves to her house and belongings, she is in deep doo-doo.

I agree with you that a keyed entry is the way to go. Kid will forget his/her key once and that will be the last time. Standing outside with nowhere to go and no way to get in until Mom comes home will fix much forgetfulness. I know, I did it once. Once.

The only "gizmo" option I can think of is remote openers in the kids school bags. If they're too old for school bags, they're old enough to remember where a blinking key is.
 
If memory serves,

I think there are keypads that allow you to select a "general" code that can be changed as needed. In other words, you don't give out the master code, but use it to generate a general code, which you give to the family members. If the family members give the code to an unauthorized user, you can use the master code to change the general code. Got it?

Seems to me the better solution is to tell the darn kids NOT to give the code to their friends on threat of dire consequences.

K
 
Er... She has a clue... But she also doesn't want the critters sitting outside in the rain waiting for her to get home. I'm probably just gonna tear it off the side of the house.

The thing is a "change the code when you want to" but it seems that the manufacturer embedded a service code or something in it... Six digits instead of four, and they discovered it by accident...
 
The only "gizmo" option I can think of is remote openers in the kids school bags. If they're too old for school bags, they're old enough to remember where a blinking key is.

In all reality, this is no better than a key. My brother and I used these many moons ago (grade school), and we managed to lose a few garage door remotes. Problem is, replacing them is more expensive than replacing a key. If kids can keep track of a door remote, they can keep track of a key. To this day I'm not sure why my parents gave us the remotes instead of a key.
 
Her house.


If the kids can get into the garage then how do they get into the house iteself? Isn't there a keyed door between the garage and the house? If the kids need in out of the weather then they can just hang in the garage all safe and warm if they loose their key.
 
Keypads : Just run by the place that makes it, and have a new master code put in.

Buy a new one, with a new master code.

I have been prone to do this anyway, especially in new construction areas, because all the houses most likely have the same code, master code and all anyway since all the houses have the same set up. All the folks building these things know the code, carpenters, painters, electricians...everybody had the code and the gargage door opener for that area being built opens all gargage doors being built...and the houses that are finished, folks bought , moved into, and never changed the code like they were told umpteen times.

Street punk reaches into carpenter's truck while at Wendy's, gets an opener, he knows this carpenter is working on them new houses , and he just pushes the button to see whose all doors fly up, what folks have, and waits for them to leave.

Sorry, but folks spent $$$$ on guns and gear, and never spend 10 minutes thinking "I wonder how a thief looks at my place to break in?".

Folks can quote gun mfg catalogs, and have no idea how to remember a keypad code, so they are "gonna be different" and ...use 1234 because they live on 1234 Somestreet. Brilliant, BGs before they are concieved know this. At 8 months in the womb they also know to punch in the year you graduated, year wife graduated, birthyear of any family members. This are SO easy to get.

One Keypad I have access to are the 6 digits, of the heart valve a grandparent had installed. Oh, "drop the threes and fives are sevens". See? I grew up with Security stuff, this ain't rocket science.


Leave the keypad on the exterior of house.

Never- ever- remove rope from "emergency" pull cord from inside garage.

Inanimate objects cannot do a darn thing without a user, and we are always educating ourselves and new folks :

- It is the Intent of User of Something - not the "something".

Ripping that keypad off is like "get rid of all guns, for the sake of the children" IMO.

There is a LOT more to Responsible Firearm Ownership than firearms. This opportunity is where WE, act responsible.

Time to have a sit down, Adult to kids. One has to get to the lowest level of the youngest kid.

"You would not want me to tell folks the combo of your toy safe"
"I repect your privacy, I do not want to know where the key to your diary is"
"Put the spare key to your diary in an envelope, I will assist you putting candle wax on the seams so you know it is always sealed. We can keep spare key in the safe here in the house"
Ditto for a kids password(s) for computer use.

Kids understand things at their respective levels. Trust has to be earned by the kids, they check the envelope, the seal is not broken, so these adults are keeping their word.

The house is like the kids toy safe, that diary, passwords to computer, etc.

Now once the keypad master code is changed ( either that unit, or a new one) , inform the kids, this new set up records who punched in a code.

They have a special code just for them, and earning the trust of adults, is just like earning trust of the toy safe, diary or computer; these were not gotten into and abused.

Too many years dealing with this stuff, when an employee the left business, that employee's code was removed, and master code changed. Employees understood I did it NOT because I did not trust them, instead to protect them from any mishap, and the insurance companies/ LEO investigators requiring them be questioned. IF you move two states away , that can be expensive to come in for questions, polygraph, and whatever.

Kids understand this, they really really do. Heck I had one key pad for the kids of employees to use. Treats, kids learned by being trusted, and funny was the kids "sneaking in" treats to refill themselves.


Heck, get a inexpensive container and inexpensive combination lock. Set this into garage . Let the kids put stuff in it, the kids have the combo. Now, they are responsible for Policing each other about that box.

Someone forgets to lock it, someone abuses this priviledge, let the kids take the responsiblity to handle the guilty party.

Tossing the container and lock, will not "parent" and allow the kids to learn responsibilty.

Just my thoughts...
 
Do you know what the odds are of hitting the correct six digit master code?

K
 
A friend was going to visit me when I lived at some apartments with a gate opened by a keypad. When I phoned him to tell him the code, he stopped me. "Don't tell me the code. I'll see you tonight."

Sure enough, he knocked on my door that evening, right on time.

He was gracious enough to give up his secret. "I used to deliver pizzas... and I hated waiting for someone else to go through the gate so I could follow them. Cold pizza equals a bad tip. See, the codes are almost always four digits. And they seldom change. So I look at which keys have the most dirt and wear. Your gate has three really filthy keys, so it was probably a 4 digit code with one digit used twice. There aren't that many permutations of 3 digits in four places. I think it was the fourth one I tried that opened the gate."

It's humbling to have smart friends.
 
I think she needs to speak with the kids about how important a little security is and then ditch the key pad, put a real lock on the garage door and the door into the house.

Give the kids real keys.
 
Why a keypad?

Security.

Slight Thread Drift-

My mother is 76, has neuropathy in her feet, and other medical concerns.

Her neighborhood has deteriorated over the years. She is the only one on her street with a one car garage.

All these years this garage door was manual. Yes dear old mom used to lift and lower that sucker with ease. Kind of a pain in cold, wet, rain, still she did it.

She cannot what she used to do. Too many folks have been robbed in her area in the carport, unloading groceries, or taking a wisk broom to clean interior, clean interior glass - whatever.

I had her door retrofitted to automatic opening with exterior keypad.

Now she can stay in the safety of her car and get into gargage and door shut. If it takes 15 minutes for her to "get it all together" , getting purse, piddling with this, just getting out of the car...she does so in the Safety of enclosed garage.

Some folks have been in driveway, had a person run up, with weapon, or just jerk door open and mug, rob, steal car...you name it. I am speaking within the same 1 block radius of where she lives.

She tires out easy, groceries are hard for her to carry. Smaller amounts of groceries means more bags, more trips. She can take all the time she wants in the safety of her gargage getting stuff out of the trunk.

What has this got to do with a Keypad ?


She got in late, cold, and dark, the garage door opener battery went out. Door would not open. Gets out, punched code, back in car pulls in, and hits the button on wall to close garage door.

Mom had a bad week, upset about a home invasion up the street and carjackings close by. Three days later , someone came by to pick her up and take her out to eat, she prefers not to drive at night. Those front steps are hard for her, so she went out the garage, and left her house keys on the trunk of her car, and closed garage with keypad. Whups.

Arrives back, gets helped up steps, and no keys to get into house. Mom and friends are panicky ( went out with folks in her age range). Well there is a hidden set of keys in garage to house and car. She remembered how I insisted on this in case of emergency, or something like this.

Mom gets helped down front steps, punches code, and - she sees keys. Embarrassed to death, and low self esteem. Still she was safe, and able to get in.

Feeling helpless is NOT good for anyone's self esteem, especially older folks.

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Security for mom means:

-she does not get off balance opening and closing a manual garage door and break a hip. Risk for infection is big concern with hip surgeries, and other "falls" and surgeries - especially our older folks.

-another tool in the tool box to get into, out of house.

-feels more independent, less helpless.

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A Garage is a HUGE security tool! Forget my mom, think about anyone of any age or gender.

Sure with elderly, be it couples or single old folks it makes sense. With single young ladies, oh having a garage is smart!

Is that single gal home or not? Cannot see a car. Alleviates some punk getting to car, hiding in back seat and popping up in carport and having their way with them.

Teenage daughter working until 11 pm at the video store, fast food joint? Nice to know daughter can pull into garage, and not get caught by a punk waiting for her to arrive home.

When I am asked to access and give ideas a garage is something I suggest real strong. Maybe / buying/ renting a house/condo, and the choices are one with, or without a garage.

Keypads offer added security options.

Like the lady working in her yard, house was locked and she got scared with the car making repeated trips up and down the street. She moved closer to garage with keypad. Being older, she knew could not run to front of house and get a key into door.

Punched code , enter garage, safe. She is convinced, that keypad access to garage is what prevented her from being a victim that day.

Same thing with some kids when some "wierd guys" kept driving by slow. The girl got nervous and broke the key in the lock . She punched that code , and she and kids in garage safe, then used a hidden key to get into house and call a neighbor trusted.

Always have a backup - keypads are another tool in the toolbox.

Just my thoughts, based on real life experiences , assisting, and observations.
 
Er... She has a clue... But she also doesn't want the critters sitting outside in the rain waiting for her to get home.

Won't kill'm and it'll only have to happen once before THEY make sure they have a key on them at all times. If they are old enough to carry their own key they are old enough to learn to be responsible for it the hard way.
 
+1 on the biometrics being crap. Someone I know had one for a PC login, I asked if I could try to fool it.

I did, with talcum powder and a couple of "finger cots". Talcum captured their last fingerprint, just pushed on it with the cots-covered finger, logged right in.

They got rid of it.

And someone in Japan found that melted gummi bears will effectively capture a fingerprint, then when it solidifies, can be used as a false finger to open it.
 
Just get the remote kepypad reprogrammed or replace it with one that allows you to periodically rotate codes - the is no real reason to spend good money trying to secure the door past that point.

The big security risk with automatic garage door openers isn't the keypad or the remotes - it's the emergency release pull just inside the door. Our local FD shows us how to get back into our locked house by pushing in the center upper section of the door just enough to snag the pull with an improvised hook and release the door from the track so that the door could be manually raised - all in about fifteen seconds. :what:
 
Also, how many of you have left a car in the driveway with a garage door opener in it? Just have to break the car window and you can get in the house. If we didn't have so much junk we could get both cars in...

I usually bring mine in, but the Mrs. doesn't like to do that. She gets to park in the garage anyway most of the time.

I know they make a device that tells you when the garage is open. That doesn't help much in this situation. You definitely need to take control of the situation.

We keep a small electronic safe in the garage with a set of house keys sometimes. Then we can still keep the door in between locked and don't have to worry about accidentally locking ourselves out.
 
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