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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Norton, Nov 26, 2004.

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  1. Norton

    Norton Member

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    Took FIL out today for his first encounter with the Garand that I picked up last Summer from CMP. Rifle has been flawless in operation up till this point, but today was doing something new.

    I'd put the clip in and the bolt would start to slam forward but would not strip the top round off. With a little encouragement, it would go....but, it has NEVER been a problem today.

    Two variables: 1) Today was the first time shooting this gun in cold weather. Is it possible that the cold weather was gumming up the grease (Lubriplate) and not allowing the op-rod to come forward?

    2) Trying out some clips that I got from Sportsmen's guide....they say IMI on the bottom. I've always used the handful that I bought at a gun show a while back. Possible cause?

    I'm a little tweaked by this as the rifle has been 100% reliable with around 400 rounds through it. Today it was a pain on all 5 of the clips that we ran through it.
     
  2. RGO

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    It doesn't mean anything is wrong with your Garand. Many M1s need a bump on the op-rod to load the first round, since there is more resistance stripping the first round out of the clip. Springfield Armory knew about this situation and decided not to correct it.
     
  3. valkyrie0002

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    I've had the same problem with a few of mine with a full clip even in warm weather. In my case I think it might be the added friction of the clip holding the rounds. Once the first round is off I don't have a problem.

    Your new clips may hold rounds tighter.

    How much grease do you use and how thick is it? I am using Militech grease.

    Did you check for freedom of movement before you put the springs in. With op-rod in place- tip barrel up and down and be sure bolt slides back and forth freely.

    Are you sure the op-rod is not rubbing the stock as it cycles.
     
  4. Norton

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    Haven't done the "freedom of movement" test....but sure will when I get home and start breaking down to clean it.

    Never been any indication of the op-rod contacting the stock, but will look closer.

    Grease is another issue that I was going to bring up. I'm using just enough to very lightly coat the underside of the barrel assembly where is may conact the op-rod. Also using just a smidgen in the other indicated areas. I know where to greae....just not how much.

    I'll make a point of using the "original" clips next time I'm out as well.....
     
  5. lwaldron

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    Slather

    I have an SA SG from CMP with a high serial number that indicates construction around the year 1955.
    With some clips I have to bump, with others not. I think it just depends on how springy the clip is.
    I use Militech grease, and I like to slather it on.
    The rifle has always functioned flawlessly... except, of course, with the whole aiming through a peep sight business, as opposed to leaf and post.
     
  6. 1911Ron

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    Is lubriplate synthetic or is it natural, if natural cold may affect it. As others have said the clip may be the culprit also check the follower spring as it may not have enough umph to fight the sluggish grease. Good luck and good shooting :D
     
  7. Swampy

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    Norton,

    There is nothing wrong with your rifle.....

    VERY FEW M1's will close when you remove your thumb from the top of the loaded clip. Most will require you to "do the bump" on the back of the op-rod handle.

    This is one benign little bug that was never worked out of the design. Even John C. Garand himself, when demo'ing his rifle for the newsreels, had to bump the op-rod handle to get the bolt to close.

    Watch old WWII and Korean War newsreels, old movies, new movies (SPR and BoB) and training films. You will see GI's, sailors, and Marines all "doin' the bump" when reloading their M1's.

    I own LOTS of M1's...... Only ONE will close on the top round when I pull my thumb. All the rest require a bump.

    Best regards,
    Swampy

    Garands forever
     
  8. natedog

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    I actually like having to bump it, it prevents the bolt from closing on my thumb...However, mine is somewhat inconsistent- when it's clean, it always closes when the clip latches, but after a few clips it'll become erratic, sometimes closing, sometimes not.
     
  9. Sleeping Dog

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    They require a bump to close only if there is no obstruction between the chamber and the bolt.

    If it sees that your thumb is in the way, it will require no bump but will viciously and maliciously fly forward to draw blood.

    They are mean critters.

    Regards.
     
  10. 30Cal

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    3 of my 4 Garands need a bump to get up and running.

    Ty
     
  11. kayak bum

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    Both of mine need bumps from time to time.
     
  12. Kevlarman

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    I have a bunch of clips for my Garand and it seems that a few will close upon removing my thumb while some need an oprod bump.

    Doesn't bother me at all.
     
  13. Red Tornado

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    Mine has required a bump pretty much every time I've fired it. I actually like it. I just like the feel of bumping it before it slams shut. Oh yeah, that way I'm also guaranteed that my thumb's out of the way.

    Sleeping Dog, I got one of the sweet ones. It never closes on my thumb and I'm sure it's politely waiting for me to get clear. :rolleyes:
    RT
     
  14. Dienekes

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    SOP. Of my 6 CMP M1s only one routinely autoloads. The one I use most needs bumping most of the time. I have variously used auto chassis lube, Lubriplate, and most recently Militec with about the same results. Just part of the whole mystique, like the ping of clip ejection.

    GIs were taught to bump the op rod as part of the loading process. It gets to be a habit quickly.
     
  15. Dan the Man

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    I have a CMP Garand with a 1942 barrell date. In fact, it looks like all the parts match up (except for the stock; it was restocked probably in the late 50's or 60's). I have always had to 'bump' the operating handle to close the action. I thought that was the way they were designed. :rolleyes:

    Regards
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    The one I have 99% of the time requires a bump. As long as that's all it takes and it still works I'm happy ;)
     
  17. RavenVT100

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    There is nothing wrong with your Garand. I have never shot an M1 that I did not need to bump for the first round through. It's just an artifact of the M1's design that things are a little tight for the first round, and you don't always have enough power to push that first one out of the clip. It's no big deal.

    I am using TW-25B right now in my Garand, but I plan on buying some Lubriplate because TW-25B is overkill for a Garand. I use it on pistol slides.
     
  18. Norton

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    I finally got a chanced to clean the rifle yesterday and didn't notice any unusual rub marks or things that seemed out of place.

    Made a point of putting some extra Lubriplate on the underside of the barrel.....


    Raven......grease on a pistol? I thought the Garand was about the only firearm that took grease. I'm always looking to learn......which pistol? I only ever use a little oil for lube on my handguns.
     
  19. cslinger

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    No worries, the "Garand Bump" is normal for most Garands. As stated ole' John C. himself had to do it on occassion and you can see it in many news reels. As a matter of fact you can see them doing it in Band of Brothers which I thought was a cool nice touch of realism.

    Sounds like a combination of your spring wearing in, the colder weather and a tight clip. I bet it works fine with your original clips and if not, don't worry it is normal.

    Chris
     
  20. Sistema1927

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    Get a "Holbrook Device". Best $40 I have ever spent. Without permanent modification it causes your Garand to work like an M14.
     
  21. Swampy

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    Sistema wrote:

    This is fine if all you want is for "Your Garand to work like an M14".....

    However, if you care about quick reloading... installing a Holbrook device slows your reload down from being the fastest of the US Service Rifles to equal or slower than that of the slowest to relaod of the US Service Rifles.

    It's been proven time and again that the M1 is faster to relaod than any other battle rifle out there. The M16 takes a bit longer due to more hand motions required to manipulate TWO magazines (one empty, one full), and the M14 takes even longer time due to the necessity to accurately grab the mag in just the right manner so that the release tab can be squeezed, then the full one must be inserted so that the front lip catches first, then rocked to lock on the rear side tab... THEN you can go for the bolt release.

    The M1 when shot empty, in normal function, requires only that you grab a full clip, jam it into the mag well, then bump the op-rod handle with the heel of your hand as it's naturally leaving the top of the receiver from clip insertion. You are then back on the trigger. It can be done VERY fast.

    Installing a Holbrook Device requires that you FIRST reach over the top of the receiver with your shooting hand to depress the clip release latch before you can reach for a new clip..... and with your hand over the top of the receiver the clip doesn't usually fly completely clear, dropping back down into the mag well... necessitating you to use more time to grab it and pull it free before going for the full one.

    Maybe it's just me.... but why bother??? ;)

    Keep em all original and I know they will all reload the same way too.....

    Just my thoughts,
    Swampy

    Garands forever
     
  22. Gunnutz13

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    Gee...you guys are lucky...having to do the bump...my 1944 SA would just love to take my thumb clean off.

    But seriously folks...I always lube my M1 right before I shoot it...not with grease, which I use very sparingly, but with CLP...just a small blast before I start a blastin' :evil:
     
  23. Sistema1927

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    Swampy,

    To each their own.

    Using the Holbrook device, I don't need a SLED, I can load anything from 1 to 8 rounds at a time, I can charge the clip in the rifle, or I can replace it with a full one.

    Speed has never been a Garand requirement for me.
     
  24. Stickjockey

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    My garand, while admittedly a CAI receiver with milsurp parts,( :eek: ) has always required a bump on the first round of a clip.
     
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    Oops. Double tap. Sorry.
     
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