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You will not regret getting an M1 over an AR15. When you place your order at the CMP make sure to buy some M2 ball to go with the rifle.
It would be a lot easier for the next White house occupant to stop the CMP from operating, as they are a government agency, sort of, than getting a new AWB in place in less than 6 months.
 
Is the M2 Ball better then the Greek? I will get at least one can of the greek to get all the extra mags but after that I am either going to order 2 cans of M2 Ball or one case of Greek. I need to know wich one I should get though, the H&R or the Sprinfield. They are the only ones that they have both in service grade
 
Greek .30-06 ammunition. HXP (Pyrkal) manufacture.

That's the only ammo the CMP has. Its all Greek M2 Ball, the only difference is the packaging and whether you get it in enbloc clips or boxed rounds.

Its excellent ammo.

Item number 415DCAN is 192 rounds in 8 round clips and bandos, packed in a 30cal ammo can for 54.00. That seems like a pretty good deal.

As for which M1 you should get, get which one you want. If it was me, I'd get the H&R but it makes no difference.
 
Are the clips of good quality as well? I have been leaning to the H&R mainly because someone said that Springfield are the most common.
 
Are the clips of good quality as well? I have been leaning to the H&R mainly because someone said that Springfield are the most common.
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I haven't heard of many people having any trouble with the Greek clips. I sure didn't.

You should check out the CMP forums, lots of info over there.

As for the H&R VS SA. Remember, the only part that may be H&R or SA is the receiver. All the other parts will be mixed. There's mostly SA parts, cause they made the most.
 
3 M1s in the safe; 1943 made around Feb, 1944 made in Oct and a 1955 that is three months older than I am. Only the '55 has the parts it came from Mass. with, the others have parts from all the other makers but International Harvester.
M2 ball is the round that these rifles are designed for. Most all of the commercial .30'06 will have an inappropriate powder burn rate for the gas system. And yes the Greek surplus is M2 ball.
When the first Greek returns went on sale the Rack Grades sold for $295. Now, just a few years later they sell for $400. Get yourself to the CMP and buy a Service Grade you won't be disappointed.
 
The list of ammo CMP is selling is a little confusing because they describe some of it as HXP and some as M-2 Pyrkal. I'm not sure why they are giving it different names if only the packaging is different.
 
I have 2 M1s, an H&R and a Springfield. Both are fun, accurate and exciting. I suggest purchasing the Service Grade or the Field Grade.
 
It would be a lot easier for the next White house occupant to stop the CMP from operating, as they are a government agency, sort of
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I don't think so. Clinton privatized it, because he didn't want the government in the business of selling rifles to the public. With that said, I believe that the only thing a new government could do is cut off the supply of surplus rifles coming from the Pentagon.
 
For "pretty" effect my SA is prettier because a former serviceman owned it for the better part of 4 decades. It was rebarreled in (I think) 1956 and has remained virtually unused since. While it is a tack-driver, it stays mostly in the vault. Also, it has a pretty low serial number 8XX,XXX.

The H&R is a CMP, "Field Grade" and is more of a shooter for me. The wood is notably beat-up, but the steel is awesome. It too is very accurate, but I am more inclined to use it regularly because the wood is not pristine. In terms of desireable, for me, I prefer the H&R because they were closer to rare than the SA.

SA made about 8 times as many M1s as did H&R. That said, both are awesome!!! They are both M1s. If you can, go directly to one of the CMPs so you can hand-select the one you want. :D It is pure fantasy land!!!

Some day, I will buy a Winchester M1 and an International Harvester M1. In terms of any "quality" differences between the two M1s (SA or H&R), there are none. It is pure choice (preference).

Doc2005
 
Ruderlvr, I'm not sure, but the US military surplussed these rifles to the CMP and I'd hate to see them ask them back to run through the chipper:mad:.
 
I would never bet that the M-1 won't be part of a future AWB that would include the AR-15.

For now, it flies below the gun banners radar in the whole of the US and Canada.

If the prohibitionists understood, and believed their own BS, they would lie awake at night for the UTTER TERROR of the knowledge that free citizens had M-1's in their closet and were increasingly unhappy with their rhetoric.

Or maybe they are--

so don't count on that M-1 being 'legal' after AWB-II.
 
RancidSumo:

FWIW, if cash is a consideration that would keep one from buying an M1 until saving $995.00 for a Correct Grade or $595.00 for a Service Grade, I would buy a $445.00 Rack Grade now, not "higher" grade later. The tolerance differences that separate the CMP's $445.00 Rack Grade to the $595.00 Field Grade are not enough to merit the extra money. Not for daily shooting.

As the folks at the Appleseed shoots acknowledge, the rifleman should be able to hit the humanoide sized targets at 500 yards with a Rack Grade rifle. The Rack Grades that I saw at the CMP were fine firearms, especially the steel. The wood was more beat-up, but to me, that is a character mark. :) Besides, one can save the money an buy a brand-spanking new stock if they choose.

I personally would have no reservations about buying a $445.00 Rack Grade M1 through the CMP, especially for a shooter. If you want a wall-hanger, you want a Correct Grade or a Collector Grade.

Doc2005
 
Is the M2 Ball better then the Greek? I will get at least one can of the greek to get all the extra mags but after that I am either going to order 2 cans of M2 Ball or one case of Greek.
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Note: Greek HXP headstamp IS M2 spec ammo.... and generally better quality than US made Lake City M2.

Also note: The M1 rifle uses an "enbloc clip"... NOT "mags". The magazine of the M1 rifle is integral with the receiver. The magazine is loaded with the "enbloc clip" that the M2 ammo comes loaded on.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever
 
I bought a rack grade M1 from the CMP.

All I can say is I will NEVER do that again. I would suggest staying with field grade or preferably service grade. The extra money will be well spent.
 
Originally posted by RancidSumo
The reason that I am very temted to get the AR over a Garand is the possibility of another AWB. Garands would not be affected. I may buy the garand and see if I can get a stripped lower and some mags for the AR so if there is a ban I'll be alright.
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As Neo-Luddite says, don't base your decision on the assumption that Garands wouldn't be affected by any future AWB...

The US Government can pass any unconstitutional law that they want to pass and attempt to enforce it...

Garands weren't affected by the last one, but that was then and this is now...

Forrest
 
HR 1022...

The new gun ban that is still in committee and has over 50 co-sponsors. It bans Garands, Mini-14's, semi-auto shotguns, M1 Carbines...

All that good stuff.

And the SCOTUS decision today will not slow down these people by a second.
 
Also note: The M1 rifle uses an "enbloc clip"... NOT "mags". The magazine of the M1 rifle is integral with the receiver. The magazine is loaded with the "enbloc clip" that the M2 ammo comes loaded on.
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Thanks for clearing that up, as you can probably see, I am new to the M1. I will be placing my order for a service grade H&R Garand and several hundred rounds of ammo next weekend.
 
Good call, friend! You will be pleased at how nice they are. The wood on the Service Grades is nice indeed!

Doc2005
 
Thanks for clearing that up, as you can probably see, I am new to the M1. I will be placing my order for a service grade H&R Garand and several hundred rounds of ammo next weekend.
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You won't regret it!!

:D
 
I got both. The service grade really is the better all around buy. The Correct is very nice, but the difference isn't that great, especially from a shooting versus collecting standpoint.

You can live almost indefinately on potatos. One 40 watt light bulb is all you really need. You don't really NEED a social life, do you?

You see, a few imperceptible adjustments in your daily routine and you can EASILY afford BOTH a Service Grade M1 and an AR.

Isn't that the High Road way?
 
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