Genesis of Al-Quaida: Pakistan

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I am closely acquainted with individuals (one American, two from India) who spent many years in Pakistan and India.

The following compilation is an original work (mostly by the American) detailing the regional and geo-political back drop as it relates to Al-Quaida and the War on Terror. Forgive my typos and other errors.
From where did Al-Quaida spawn?

The roots of Al-Quaida are found in the convergence of several historical events. Perhaps the key event was the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 (the same year as the assassination of Anwar Sadat and the Iranian Revolution).

In the wake of that Cold War invasion, the CIA under William Casey mounted extensive operations in Pakistan during the 1980’s intended to organize and equip an effective Mujahedin guerilla campaign against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. These operations drew upon an extensive network of Madrissas (religious schools) in Pakistan, most particularly in the Northwest Frontier Province along the border with Afghanistan, to recruit and train militants who then moved across the border into Afghanistan to fight the Russians. Over a decade of operations, huge quantities of arms, money, and training were provided. Militants came from many other Muslim countries to participate in what was becoming viewed as a Jihad against the Russians, including some radical Arabs (like Bin Laden and Al Zwahiri) from countries like Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, who had political reasons to leave their home countries.

This effort had several side effects that were unintended, but were not necessarily viewed as having any long-term negative impact.

1) An extensive network of associations among Islamic militants of varying backgrounds resulting from years of operations in that region.
2) By necessity, a huge economic network came into existence which was totally underground – smuggling, money exchange, and trade in weapons
3) Those trained by CIA programs retained the body of knowledge on explosives, weaponry, tactics and so forth, useful for guerilla and insurgency operations.
4) The effort, by reason of from where it recruited, and whom it attracted, drew together a group of people who were Islamic radicals, and willing to participate in militant operations.

After the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan, and the CIA shut down their operations, the networks fell apart for a time, but many of the people remained in place. People like Osama Bin Laden could not return to their home countries for other reasons, and many did not want to. They found themselves in a place beyond the effective control of any national government.

By the late 80’s the Pakistan Government under Zia Ul Haq had acquired nuclear capability despite sanctions put in place by the US government to prevent them from doing so. Pakistan's desire to obtain Indian Kashmir resulted in a series of tense confrontations with India, at least one of which took Pakistan and India to the brink of war.

The Pakistan Military began to do the math, and came to understand that it could never achieve its long-term objective of seizing control of Indian Kashmir through war with India. That effort had been made two times, and had failed, and any further effort would certainly come to a nuclear confrontation or threat thereof in which Pakistan could not prevail. Their nuclear capability could only be effective as a deterrent to India. On the other hand, clandestine means utilizing the now disintegrating manpower and networks used in Afghanistan by the CIA could be mounted in Indian Kashmir to drive India out of Kashmir, or at least destabilize it, and Pakistan’s nuclear capability would deter India from a direct military response.

The Pakistan Military, through its Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) began re-activating the same Madrissa based network that the CIA had used during the war in Afghanistan, but shut down after that war ended with the Russian withdrawal. The idea was to run a campaign of militant insurgency in Indian Kashmir which the Pakistan government and military could deny any direct association with, but to whom they could say they offered diplomatic support. To do this, all military operations (training and military hardware) would have to take place outside of Pakistan’s borders, and funding would have to come entirely through “unofficial†channels. But non-military training, and recruitment could openly take place inside of Pakistan. Afghanistan would offer the perfect staging area for training facilities, and military ordinance, and the extensive smuggling network in the Frontier region of the Pak-Afghan border could be used to siphon off funding for the operation.

This program began in earnest in 1989, soon after the Russian withdrawal. It is worth noting that since that time, the proportion of Pakistan’s GDP directly attributed to the resultant smuggling through Afghanistan has steadily increased, until by the late 1990’s it equaled 50% of GDP – an astonishing figure. All of the overland smuggling routes from Afghanistan into Pakistan are controlled by the Pakistan Military, who would have a monopoly on the revenue from bribery that is always associated with illegal trade in Pakistan. In order to secure this revenue, from the beginning, stability in Afghanistan was a necessary concern, most particularly in the Southern regions of Afghanistan, along the common border with Pakistan. Enter the Taliban – the student militia, comprised almost entirely of Pashtu speaking students from the Madrissa networks in Pakistan. They began a slow, steady conquest of the southern and central regions of Afghanistan, bringing the stability Pakistan required. Eventually, by the late 1990’s, they would control almost all of Afghanistan, with only a few regions in the non-Pashtun North outside of their control.

But once again, the law of unintended consequences began to cause problems that the Pakistan Military and the ISI had not anticipated. As the Taliban began to consolidate their control over most of Afghanistan, they began to look at the Northern regions of Pakistan with the eye to unify with their Pashtu-speaking brothers on the other side of the line. This made the Pakistan Military uneasy, because the last thing they wanted was more instability in the Frontier Province. At around the same time, the notion began to have currency that Afghans had defeated all of the world’s premier military powers, and were unstoppable. They had beaten the British in the 19th century, the Russians in the 20th, so why not the Americans in the 21st. God was on their side, because they were Islamic Warriors. A select group of wealthy Arab Exiles began to promote the idea of exporting Islamic Jihad from their bases in Afghanistan to other areas of the world – wherever Muslims were under siege. And the law of unintended consequences took another step forward.

Using the same methods, and funding as the ISI, and the CIA before them, these people began to assemble a network from within the network used by the ISI. This time, their objective was to advance the expansion of Islamic realms into central Asia (Chechnya and Daghestan), Algeria, Palestine, and to bring down corrupt Islamic governments who had become vassals to the West – including Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. This would unify the Islamic world under a Pan-Islamic realm, similar to the realm of the Caliphate during the “golden age†of Islam.

If you look at conflicts in the Muslim world since the late 1990’s – Chechnya, the Balkans, Algeria, Kashmir, Afghanistan, and Indonesia – there always seem to be groups of Islamic militants from other regions of the world who are present among the most active players, and in sizeable numbers. Someone was assembling, training, and proliferating these kinds of players as a kind of “Jihad for hire†army – militants who will go anywhere, and do anything to anyone in order to spread the reach of Islamic Fundamentalism through militancy. Now they are in Iraq because that is where the opportunity lies to fight against those who are perceived as the enemies of this Islamic ideology.

The chief promulgator of anti-Islamic influence in the Muslim world is seen as Westernism, and Secularism, and these are epitomized in the United States. For this reason, the US has become the target. What better way to unite the Muslim world, than for them to be galvanized in the face of a common enemy? But first you have to pick a fight. After attaching Embassies in African, they finally got the full attention of the US on September 11, 2001 with the attacks on New York and Washington.

What is in store for non-muslims (who survive) in the countries where Al-Quaida might rule? Sharia (codification of Islamic Law) dictates that non-muslims given Dhimi status - a caste system, where the the Dhimi have less diminished rights, where, for one example, the court testimony of a Christian would be worth less than the testimony of a Moslem.

Will the liberals in the anti-war movement be spared? The Islamo-fascists consider western influence (movies, pornography, writing) to be a source of evil. And there is a more fundemental problem. Ask a liberal if they support the concept of "Separation of Church and State." That is antithetical to Al-Quaida which believe it a necessity that religion envelopes government.

Possible solutions:

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They were doing just fine until the end.

First, we ain't up against 1.2bil people. No way, no how.

Second, the weakness of radical Islam has always involved matters financial. Only Saudi oil and various illegal drugs in Afghanistan/Pakistan/etc. has kept them financially afloat to the current degree (which is TOTALLY contrary to Islam BTW).

So guess what? There's an EASY way to nail these morons.

1) End the "war on drugs" :rolleyes:. I'm quite serious. Get the monster profits out, control it, tax it, screw Osama BUT GOOD.

2) Announce a US research program to develop the tech post-haste to switch us off oil and onto something else...at the level of both cars and power plants. The House of Saud and their ilk will promptly freak. Let 'em. Understand, we'll always need SOME oil, as a lubricant and special-application fuel, so they ain't gonna starve any time soon...in fact, they'll be in long-term better shape at modest incomes but with their oil lasting 200+ years instead of 50 or so at the current rate.
 
The end was just a tack-on. If it is a distraction, I'll remove it. I didn't say we were up against 1.2 billion fighters, but the economy that 1.2 billion can create as well as the fact that 1.2 billion people makes a rather large haystack in which to put a few needles.

The thrust of the post was to discuss from where they came and how very determined they are.

Starving them of funds may help, but to use your own words, you lost me at the end when you prefaced this on ending the WoSomeDrugs and switching to non-petro-based fuels. I'd like both to happen, but they won't, anytime soon and billions will poor into their hands. Heck, with so many of them making a living in western countries, all they have to do is send a fraction of it back to keep the movement going, not to mention the funding by nation-states.

Rick
 
Interesting read, I was born in India, spent several years in Afghanistan and vacationed in both Pakistan and Kashmir. I want to note, I was only a child (<11yo) in the time spent in these places. Memories of the people and thier culture are still very vivid in my mind and given a realitively safe way to visit, would love to go back. That said, I think this writeup really shows the effects of unitended consequences and how important foreign policy have an understanding of what can happen at the local level. Something sorely lacking here especially during the previous administration.
We don't really know our enemy, something the Bush war campaign evidently forgot to address. By that, I mean to say that the average American doesn't really understand who these people are and what their really about. ( We did a much better job during WWll as was mentioned in a previous thread) Unfortunately the only education most Americans get comes from the mainstream media, which is like drinking out of the toliet bowl because the water looks clean, :barf:
 
AZRickD,

The essay you posted is just another attempt to hang the creation of Al-Queda around the CIA's neck, and it's a bunch of unmitigated crap. This has been debunked many times.

At no time during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan did Osamah Bin-Laden have any direct contact with CIA

Osamah Bin-Laden did not at any time receive support, funding, weapons, or logistical help from the CIA, or notably, Pakistani Army Intelligence, which was the conduit for the vast majority of US aid to the Mujahadeen.

Osamah Bin-Laden was as rabidly anti-American during the Soviet occupation as he is today. One of his stated reasons for the formation of Al Queda was his "outrage" at "Crusaders" being relied upon by Muslim people for military support. He objected to it just as strongly in Afghanistan as later in Kuwait, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

Osamah Bin-Laden had the funds to create an alternative network of fighters in Afghanistan, which helped form Taliban much later in the early 1990's.

If you need to pin the blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, put it where it belongs: squarely on the leftist Democrats in the US like Frank Church and Jimmy Carter who gutted the CIA's operational capability in the mid 70's (Google the Church Commission) and fecklessly failed to help support the Shah of Iran, a strong US ally, in the face of the Islamic fundamentalist movement.

The essay you posted is inaccurate to the point where it's reminiscent of a W4rma or Bountyhunter post trying to pin the creation of the Taliban on the Reagan Administration. W4rma even stooped so low as to post a doctored version of a Reagan era proclamation from 1983 which was altered to make it appear as if it praised the Taliban by name. A neat trick indeed considering how the Taliban wasn't formed until the early 1990's.

Sorry, but this attempt to blame CIA and the Reagan Administration for the creation of Al-Queda is pure crap.
 
This essay deliberately fails to state outright, ANYTHING regarding the actual formation of Al-Queda. It throws out a few vauge passages such as these:

After the Russians withdrew from Afghanistan, and the CIA shut down their operations, the networks fell apart for a time, but many of the people remained in place. People like Osama Bin Laden could not return to their home countries for other reasons, and many did not want to. They found themselves in a place beyond the effective control of any national government

Again, conveniently neglected is any mention of the fact that Osamah Bin-Laden did not receive training, funding, arms, or logistical support from the CIA, or to any great extent; Pakistani Army Intelligence. He had his own funding and his own network of "foreign" fighters.

Another blatent inaccuracy in the essay which calls into serious question whether it is genuine, nobody with even a slight familiarity with Afghanistan and pakistan would make a preposterous claim like this:

an astonishing figure. All of the overland smuggling routes from Afghanistan into Pakistan are controlled by the Pakistan Military, who would have a monopoly on the revenue from bribery that is always associated with illegal trade in Pakistan.

Absolute, unadulterated crap. The Pakistani Army had/has little if any control of the autonomus tribal (border) regions through which most smuggling occurs.

Another blatent inaccuracy:

The Pakistan Military, through its Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) began re-activating the same Madrissa based network that the CIA had used during the war in Afghanistan

Virtually all CIA assistance was channeled through Pakistani Army Intelligence, and the recruiting was done in the Afghani refugee camps in Pakistan, not the Madrassa.

This is just plain confusing, is the author saying the Taliban had a direct hand in the 9/11 attacks?:

The chief promulgator of anti-Islamic influence in the Muslim world is seen as Westernism, and Secularism, and these are epitomized in the United States. For this reason, the US has become the target. What better way to unite the Muslim world, than for them to be galvanized in the face of a common enemy? But first you have to pick a fight. After attaching Embassies in African, they finally got the full attention of the US on September 11, 2001 with the attacks on New York and Washington.

I appreciate the right-wing conservative tone of the essay, however it's still inaccurate crap.
 
CoolHandLuke has a point, although he overstates it.

Osamah Bin-Laden did not at any time receive support, funding, weapons, or logistical help from the CIA

Correct. CIA certainly knew who he was, but bin Laden was never a CIA agent, and never received aid from CIA.

Osamah Bin-Laden did not at any time receive support, funding, weapons, or logistical help from ...Pakistani Army Intelligence

Hold on there, Luke. It's far too murky to make such a categorical statement. Pakistani Army Intelligence was notorious before 9-11 for being dominated by elements which shared a smiliarly fundamentalist Islamic ideology. There was in fact a friendly relationship between Al Qaeda/Taliban and Pakistani Army Intelligence.

AZRickD, the the second paragraph could use some rewriting to clarify that OBL was never a CIA agent, and that his outfit was not founded or supported by CIA.

See Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 by Steve Coll (The Penguin Press: 2004).

If you need to pin the blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, put it where it belongs: squarely on the leftist Democrats in the US like Frank Church and Jimmy Carter who gutted the CIA's operational capability in the mid 70's (Google the Church Commission)

The Church Committee investigated and documented a history of criminal conduct engaged in by the Agency both at home and abroad. There is a connection between the CIA's covert meddling abroad - at the behest of presidents - and the creation of enmity towards America. Any wonder that militant politico-religious movements would ride to power on Anti-American sentiment? See All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror by Stephen Kinzer (John Wiley & Sons: 2003).

[Jimmy Carter] fecklessly failed to help support the Shah of Iran, a strong US ally, in the face of the Islamic fundamentalist movement.

By the latter half of the 70s, the writing was on the wall that the Shah's days were numbered, and not even the Shah's own army was willing to go to bat for that loser. He was kinda like ol' Humpty Dumpty, Luke. Throwing good money after bad is a losing strategy.
 
Hold on there, Luke. It's far too murky to make such a categorical statement. Pakistani Army Intelligence was notorious before 9-11 for being dominated by elements which shared a smiliarly fundamentalist Islamic ideologyThere was in fact a friendly relationship between Al Qaeda/Taliban and Pakistani Army Intelligence

Yes, that's well known. But again, the Taliban was not formed until the early 1990's, and therefore could not have served as a conduit for assistance to Bin-Laden or his network during the late-1970's mid-1980's time frame under discussion.


Just noticed that this is post number 666 for me. :evil:
 
during the late-1970's mid-1980's time frame under discussion.

Well, OK, but the writer discusses events as early as "the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979" and as late as "the late 1990’s," i.e., that's the time frame under discussion.

Also, as you pointed out the the writer gets it wrong with his claims that the Pakistani military had a monopoly on the drug trade. Way off the mark, as substantial amounts of drugs were being moved by elements in the north who were unfriendly to Pakistan. These shipments were going through central Asia en route to European markets.
 
Whoa....

1) Note the topic title "Pakistan." I never said CIA created OBL. This is not a CIA hit piece in my mind. CIA merely created the shell that was reconstituted by Pakistan for that country's needs. Unintended Consequences is the lesson of the day.

2) The Core of what we call the Taliban/Al-Quaida was not created by Pakistan, it was a network within that network designed by those who didn't want to restrict their focus to Kashmir. This was in the discussions with my acquaintances but I neglected to include it.

3) I never limited the black market to the drug trade. They were moving materiel across borders, (weapons, money, people) at the behest of Pakistani interests. That market *had* to form given all the activity of the operation.

4) The Pakistan military and ISI then found themselves to have lost control of the beast they created. Money was flowing where they didn't want it to go, activities which didn't help the Kashmir cause. The black market became *THE* market and worse, they began to worry about Al-Quaida organizing and operating from within Pakistan to cleanse it. This is why Pakistan is sort of, almost, cooperating with the Coalition.

My buddy (fluent in 'Urdu' -- is that why he spells Al-Qaeda so oddly?) was in Pakistan up until the time those errant missiles intended for Afghani bases landed in-country. It became rather dicey there. The Paki an US governments advised all to leave. He, his wife, child and adopted child, took their advice.

This morning I am participating in a debate on the Iraqi war (I volunteered for the pro-war side). My hope is that it does not degenerate into the "blame game" which I see here was far to easy to do. My focus is not the roots of al-Qaeda (which is academic) but their evil intent.

Somehow I doubt I'll get many words in (edge-wise).

Rick
 
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