I can tell you without equivocation that the new 700's don't hold a candle to the older ones. The quality just isn't there. Can you hunt with them...yes and they'll do fine for you, but Remington has cheapened them up so much, that I didn't even recognize them when I went in to purchase one for my son for deer hunting. Bottom line I decided to wait around for an older one to hit the market, rather than waste good money on marginal equipment. You could buy a Savage or a Stevens for that matter for a lot less money and get nearly the same damn thing. Cerberus needs to fire whoever's in charge of design and Q.C. over at Remington, because they just neutered one of their gold medal standards in the industry IMHO.