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Owning a gun is nothing to be ashamed of. If you act like it is, you give the antis the power.
Getting made w/o getting "caught." How often is CCW identified w/o consequence?
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Jerry Morris
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If I am carrying, I also have reason to be studying my surroundings. Nervousness can be anything. I look for the out of the ordinary. It is called situational awareness. Hell, I find myself doing it when I am not armed. This is when the only weapon I have is what is between my ears.
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sig228
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A Typical Huck Finn (the Real Huck Finn) Story
Huck, if there's any truth to that tall tale, I can't believe that you actually admitted to the kid that you were carrying.
You should have politely sent him on his way. If he pressed the issue, you should have just said NO. Why in the world would you entertain such a question, let alone admit that you had a gun.
Please please tell me this is a joke or an anti CCW troll post. At least then I'll feel better about your judgement.
Huck, if there's any truth to that tall tale, I can't believe that you actually admitted to the kid that you were carrying.
You should have politely sent him on his way. If he pressed the issue, you should have just said NO. Why in the world would you entertain such a question, let alone admit that you had a gun.
Please please tell me this is a joke or an anti CCW troll post. At least then I'll feel better about your judgement.
JesseL
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jim640, Two things.
First, never lie to children.
Second, carrying of arms in nothing of which to be ashamed.
This child's positive encounter with a person of integrity and character may have positive effects on his view of people and the world for the rest of his life.
I open carry on a pretty regular basis and the only people I ever see aware of my pistol are small children. Whenever I notice them I try to give them a reassuring smile and nod. It's important to let the next generation know that people who carry arms for defense can be friendly and trustworthy.
First, never lie to children.
Second, carrying of arms in nothing of which to be ashamed.
This child's positive encounter with a person of integrity and character may have positive effects on his view of people and the world for the rest of his life.
I open carry on a pretty regular basis and the only people I ever see aware of my pistol are small children. Whenever I notice them I try to give them a reassuring smile and nod. It's important to let the next generation know that people who carry arms for defense can be friendly and trustworthy.
hankdatank1362
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Why should you have to hide behind a lie?
kengrubb
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The Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
12. One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.
That which brings down your typical Evil Overlord, may not be all that fatal for the average CCW licensee.
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html
12. One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.
That which brings down your typical Evil Overlord, may not be all that fatal for the average CCW licensee.
Chuck Dye
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jim640,
A boy of perhaps 9 or 10 years made a couple of astute observations and what seems, to me, an amazing connection. He made a well mannered approach, posed his question, and made his argument respectfully. We socialize our children (and our pets) more by example than by instruction. If you have not picked it out of my narrative, let me point out that I hold an Oregon CHL: my concealed weapon was entirely legal. Let me also point out that the boy’s only clues were my conversation with the waiter (he was clearly paying attention) and his knowledge of his Dad’s behavior. Nothing in my knowledge of Oregon law, local attitudes, including law enforcement’s, or the immediate situation suggests a need to lie to the boy by commission or omission. Certainly there was no cause to rebuff him. For my risk, such as it was, I was rewarded by the boy’s and the father’s reactions. I gained, the boy gained, and, in the final analysis, the father gained.
And now, your turn: why would I not politely receive the boy’s approach and question? What had I to fear from answering him truthfully? What had I to gain by lying or dodging? You imply that you would have behaved differently. Do you carry concealed, that you might actually find yourself in the same situation?
Finally, how is my narrative in any possible way anti-CCW or a joke? Please, in the words of many beloved and hated teachers of my past: Show your work.
A boy of perhaps 9 or 10 years made a couple of astute observations and what seems, to me, an amazing connection. He made a well mannered approach, posed his question, and made his argument respectfully. We socialize our children (and our pets) more by example than by instruction. If you have not picked it out of my narrative, let me point out that I hold an Oregon CHL: my concealed weapon was entirely legal. Let me also point out that the boy’s only clues were my conversation with the waiter (he was clearly paying attention) and his knowledge of his Dad’s behavior. Nothing in my knowledge of Oregon law, local attitudes, including law enforcement’s, or the immediate situation suggests a need to lie to the boy by commission or omission. Certainly there was no cause to rebuff him. For my risk, such as it was, I was rewarded by the boy’s and the father’s reactions. I gained, the boy gained, and, in the final analysis, the father gained.
And now, your turn: why would I not politely receive the boy’s approach and question? What had I to fear from answering him truthfully? What had I to gain by lying or dodging? You imply that you would have behaved differently. Do you carry concealed, that you might actually find yourself in the same situation?
Finally, how is my narrative in any possible way anti-CCW or a joke? Please, in the words of many beloved and hated teachers of my past: Show your work.
Chuck Dye
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Ken Grubb,
My best friends’ sons taught me long ago that, if you think you know your stuff, before you go public, imagine yourself explaining it to a bright twelve year old.
My best friends’ sons taught me long ago that, if you think you know your stuff, before you go public, imagine yourself explaining it to a bright twelve year old.
Spotted two guys today. Carrying front pocket in some sort of holster designed to make it look like your wallet is in your front pocket. Except I could see the handle print of their small autos above the printed square below. Both were dressed identically and in some sort of christian group of several vehicles and trailers. The real give away was that they had their wallets in their back pockets, I pods and blackberry's in waist holsters. I just guessed they were security for the group. I got in my car before they spoted the front pocket bulge of my S&W 642 and headed for home.
Mannlicher
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ya know Huck, in some 45 years of carrying, I have not been made, or at least, being made has not been brought to my attention. Frankly, it does not bother me one way or the other.
sig228
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Very simple. Because the boy was out of place asking such a question. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but If I was that boy's father, I would not have let him wander around the restaurant, much less alone talk to strangers about guns.
As to your ability to legally carry, that was never a question in my mind.
How would I have handled the situation: I would have lied and said no. CCW means concealed. Nobody should know except for the person carrying. Certainly not a child.
(Exception: LEO, of course, if asked)
Lets see how this could have turned out differently: He goes back to tell his Dad that you have a gun. Dad doesn't know that you have a CHL. Dad calls cops. Cops make your life miserable for a short time. Dinner is ruined. You prove your point, but so what?
Or better yet - small child runs back to Dad's table yelling "HE'S GOT A GUN" Everyone in restaurant starts to panic. Mayhem ensues.
Is it worth it?
No way. But that's a judgement call on your part.
CSA 357
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well if a 9 year old can tell your packin , you might need to look for a new way to carry, i have never been asked if i was carring a gun, not saying that some one hasnt wondered, kids do say the darndest thing i guess! csa
csaI am not sure there is a hundred percent way to carry and not be made by someone. I carry all the time, I been made a couple times. I am not too worried about it, most people don't really pay attention. I am always experimenting with different ways to carry.
My daughter is nine, she can spot someone carrying much faster then I can. Of course her favorite place to go hang out is the gun shop and she sees me carry everyday. She is always looking to see if she can spot someone...LOL
My daughter is nine, she can spot someone carrying much faster then I can. Of course her favorite place to go hang out is the gun shop and she sees me carry everyday. She is always looking to see if she can spot someone...LOL
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got made sorta
in 1980.At dart drug young man thought i was a shoplifter when he saw "something " hidden small of mt back. He got a funny look when manager and him confronted me and i showed what i was hiding.I was legal.
in 1980.At dart drug young man thought i was a shoplifter when he saw "something " hidden small of mt back. He got a funny look when manager and him confronted me and i showed what i was hiding.I was legal.
geekWithA.45
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And that's why I _never_ tuck my shirts in. 
Chuck Dye
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Indeed, it was, and I am quite satisfied with my results. I made that judgment with the benefit of many more cues than I would have believed needed inclusion in my initial post. Am I likely to have made the same call in Miami? In Portland OR? In any large city? Perhaps not, even probably not, but life here in rural Oregon has not yet been degraded to that extent.
I think that more than anything else, you have added yet another reward to my choice of the rural and small town life. Thank you.
I used to go to Dayton's, a higher end dept store that is now gone, part of the marshall fields/macy's chain, to buy suits and sport coats, the downtown MPls store had a woman tailor who was well experienced in making guns disappear under clothing. One of her "tricks" was small lead weights sewn into the hem line of the coat to prevent blowing coat tails. She now works at the Nordstroms at the Mall of America supermall, so now i buy my coats there. Last two suits tailored by her, have an extra liner over the gun, a slightly looser fit on that side and an weighted liner.
She has also added a double liner over the back of my Tux so that the flex joint of my shoulder holster disappears.
She has also added a double liner over the back of my Tux so that the flex joint of my shoulder holster disappears.
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Cop I know was riding home from work on his personal motorcycle -- must have been 20 years ago. He got in an accident with a lady in a car. His bike went one way, he went another, and his 1911 went a third. He got up, collected his pistol and stuck it back in the small of his back sans holster, just has he had been carrying it, while he walked up to the lady still sitting in her car. He said, "You wait right here", went back to his bike and stood it up, then pulled a radio out of the saddlebag and called in the accident.
She didn't move until some uniforms showed up.
She didn't move until some uniforms showed up.
TallPine
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Well, unless it happens to be a slender young lady with a bare midriff
kengrubb
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Huh-huh. Huh-huh. He said bare. Huh-huh. Huh-huh.TallPine said:
Byron Quick
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Your kids can't go to the restrooms? What a shame.
You must live in an urban area. Talking to strangers about guns is about like talking about the weather, the food at the restaurant, or the dog walking across the road around here.
I open carry from time to time. It requires a carry permit here in Georgia. Mainly do it to check people's reactions. Last time I did so, I walked around Walmart for a couple of hours while watching the other shoppers and Walmart employees. 1911 in condition one in a Galco OWB. I spotted no reactions at all. Mothers weren't herding their children away. The intercom instructions to security scans were no more than normal. The cop parked out front didn't have a reaction.
Judging from many members' attitudes on this and similar threads in the past, I'm very glad I don't live where they do. They don't seem to live in very gun friendly areas but it does make me appreciate Georgia more.
I try to keep things simple. Therefore, instead of wasting time and energy trying to decide if someone is armed due to their style of clothing, lumps on their waist or armpits, or whatever...I simply assume that everyone is armed and conduct myself accordingly. A stimulus to civility.
Finch
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I think that the only way you are going to get made (assuming you do your best) are by gun friendly people. I was in a Subway resurant once when I had an itch on my knee opposite the side I carry on. When I leaned over to stratch it, I must have printed because a guy behind me asked what model. "What model?" I replied. He then glanced at my hip, carry side.
I told him it was just my cell phone. He then patted his side and said he was carrying a Styer m9. So I endulged him in telling him I was carrying a g23.
I told him it was just my cell phone. He then patted his side and said he was carrying a Styer m9. So I endulged him in telling him I was carrying a g23.
FireArmFan
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Thanks Pete F
Thanks for the Info on the lady that works at the Mall of America. I plan on getting my Permit to Carry once I turn 21 in a few months and I wear suits quite often (one of my jobs require it). Maybe I'll check out Nordstroms, for my next suitcoat.
Thanks for the Info on the lady that works at the Mall of America. I plan on getting my Permit to Carry once I turn 21 in a few months and I wear suits quite often (one of my jobs require it). Maybe I'll check out Nordstroms, for my next suitcoat.
You weren't really made
You were questioned by a smart young lad that equated untucked shirts with his father's packing. Deductive reasoning on his part did the rest. Lie or not, he probably wouldn't have known the difference. That fact that you were honest with each other shows integrity on both your parts IMO.
Good work, children need to understand young that gun does not equal violence. You were an ambassador for us all and I think you handled it as gracefully as it could be handled, and made a friend should you encounter each other again.
jeepmor
You were questioned by a smart young lad that equated untucked shirts with his father's packing. Deductive reasoning on his part did the rest. Lie or not, he probably wouldn't have known the difference. That fact that you were honest with each other shows integrity on both your parts IMO.
Good work, children need to understand young that gun does not equal violence. You were an ambassador for us all and I think you handled it as gracefully as it could be handled, and made a friend should you encounter each other again.
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