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Getting Stopped by the Police w/ a Car/Truck Shoulder Weapon?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BerettaNut92, Sep 15, 2003.

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  1. BerettaNut92

    BerettaNut92 Member

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    Out of curiosity, who here has gotten stopped by the police while you had a truck/car long gun? What state are you from and what happened?
     
  2. Glockster35

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    Skunkabilly,

    Last year (before coming to Germany) I took my family on a trip from California through to Montana in our new Mini-van. Before you snicker, the van was purchased for our time in Germany, as a trip taker, and has come in very handy.

    Anyway, along with us on our trip, I took the following. My Glock 35, Glock 23, SA 1911, Savage 10FP, in .308, M1, 30 Carbine, and Ruger 10-22.

    I was stopped for speeding in Montana, actually in the area near Butte. No big deal really, once I told the officer I had weapons in the vehicle, he had me step out and speak with him.

    Needless to say he was impressed with my small collection, and was an advid hunter himself.
     
  3. Jeff White

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    Skunky,
    Where are you carrying this shoulder weapon? In the trunk? If so, why mention it? If it's in the passenger compartment you may or may not have to answer questions about it. Depends on where you live.

    I stopped a pickup with plates from a Western State going through town a few years ago. The guy had a very nice uncased scoped rifle in the rack in the rear window. That's a big no-no here in the PRI. So I explained Illinois law to him and asked if he had a case. He didn't and it was about 11pm. no place to buy one (this was before Wal-Mart Supercenter came to town). Had him follow me to the PD and gave him an old blanket out of my truck, so he could wrap the rifle up and put it behind the seat of the pickup. Still not legal, but it would be out of sight and he'd be less likely to get in trouble before he got into a free state.

    Jeff
     
  4. Watchman

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    As a part time deputy,I've stopped lots of people with rifles in the back window of the pickup truck, rifles leaning up against the seat and a few with overhead mounted rifle racks.

    Its not agains the law here, so its not really an issue. In lots of cases, we'll end up discussing them a bit, it seems like lots of people like to show them off and if you have a clue about them, it just opens up the talk even more.

    If you are doing something stupid...like running 90 in a 55, I might check the serial number on it.

    I live in Arkansas, and I understand that its different here in the south. We had a retired police officer from NYC(Bronx) get bored and get a job as a deputy, he really had a hard time understanding that all of the AR's and AK's he was seeing in windows really were legal. Here, we routinley see stuff that if it were up north somewhere they would have a SWAT team waiting for you at roadblock.

    Its kinda funny too...he had some fairly antigun views that we finally got him to change his mind about. Soon thereafter, he was bought an AR,an AK, a MAC 9,SKS, and a bunch of stuff that he couldnt legally own in NYC.He was like an unchained puppy. :D
     
  5. Zach S

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    I have. I live in NC.

    "Know why I stopped you, sir?"
    "Probably speeding, I wasnt paying attn"
    "Got you doing 47(?) in a 35. Do you have any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?"
    "No drugs, but I've got an 870 in the trunk, full tube, empty chamber"
    "Heh, so do I, good choice. Wait here, I'll be back in a minute."
    (few mins pass, with me sweating bullets)
    "Ok, I wrote you a warning ticket for speeding and I noticed you have an expired inspection sticker. You need to watch your speed, and have the car inspected. Thanks for your cooperation, have a nice night."
    "You too officer"
     
  6. berettaman

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    Here in Oklahoma you can get pulled over for "NOT" having a rifle in the back window of your Pic-em-up Truck.(specialy during hunting season):evil:

    It's really not an issue here in the mid-west/south.
     
  7. cordex

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    *thinks*
    Not sure if I've ever been stopped without a long gun in the trunk. I've never brought it up.
     
  8. Norm357

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    I stopped a pickup with plates from a Western State going through town a few years ago. The guy had a very nice uncased scoped rifle in the rack in the rear window. That's a big no-no here in the PRI. So I explained Illinois law to him and asked if he had a case. He didn't and it was about 11pm. no place to buy one (this was before Wal-Mart Supercenter came to town). Had him follow me to the PD and gave him an old blanket out of my truck, so he could wrap the rifle up and put it behind the seat of the pickup. Still not legal, but it would be out of sight and he'd be less likely to get in trouble before he got into a free state.




    Jeff, you are a credit to your profession.

    Norm
     
  9. Dorrin79

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    I was stopped headed to Houston with a large part of my arsenal in the cab of my truck.

    cop asked if I had any weapons, I told him I had several cased/holstered firearms I was taking to Houston with me to go shooting.

    He wrote me a warning for speeding and sent me on my way.

    I believe it was a Fort Bend Sheriff's deputy.
     
  10. BerettaNut92

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    Jeff, I have a Honda CRV. No 'trunk' per se, just a very large 'passenger compartment' as defined by CA law. I leave them on the floor of the passenger row so they don't bounce around and I fold the seats up when I want to hide them from view so nosy kleptos don't break my windows.

    I figure I knew better to ask the cops here since y'all're obviously gun-friendly, but wonder if anyone had any negative experiences...

    "Do you have any guns in the vehicle?"
    "Uhh yeah officer, what caliber and how many do you need?" :D
     
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    I have been stopped numerous times, for different reasons. I have never offered what I was carrying, ( not asked either ).

    Of course, since I carry quite a lot, ( I'm a Deputy Sheriff ), and this is the midwest, it's no big deal. If asked, I would tell what I had at the time, and where it was.
    Now my dad on the other hand was stopped by a trooper, and asked if he had any drugs or guns in his car. Told the trooper he had both. The trooper asked where they were, and he said they were in the trunk. The trooper escorted him to the trunk, as asked him to step back. He opened a small bag, that dad had said had the drugs in. When he saw pappy's heart med's, he said, " Is this all?". He then asked about the gun, and pappy pointed to a gun rug, and the trooper took out a High Power, again asking if that was all. Dad told him he asked about guns or drugs, and he was being truthfull.:neener:

    In all the cars I have stopped over the years, I never had a problem with people carrying guns in them, unless they were causing problems, like domestics. Most are just going from one place to another, with no malicious intents. Like me:evil:
     
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    "Any guns or knives in the car?"
    "Yes, officer, but the neighbor's dog told me to chill."

    :D
     
  13. tetleyb

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    Long Guns

    I am a police officer in the SF Bay Area. Where I work, if we saw a pickup truck with a rifle in the cab, hanging up, it would be an automatic high risk stop. Fortunately/unfortunately, I work in an urban environment and there really is no reason for a person to have a rifle hanging up in their truck/car.

    If you just had firearms in the truck/car after being pulled over and I saw it, or you told me about it, you would be pulled out at gun point. This would depend upon the officer. I'm considered to be a little more aggressive then most (at the sametime, I go home alive everynite too).

    It appears, by the replys on this board, it would really depend where you were at. A rural area in CA, where people hunt, wouldn't attract too much attention. The midwest, south, etc where its common place also wouldn't. However, I wouldn't advise it in New York City.
     
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    Hrm.
    I've dealt with police in urban, suburban and rural settings. Every time, I've had a handgun on my hip and/or ankle, and a rifle in the trunk (when in my car). I'm extremely glad none of them treated me as you would have.
     
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    Tetlyb, I too live in a urban area. Atlanta is about as urban as you get. If an officer had your attitude here, he wouldnt be an officer long.


    Norm
     
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    tet, I live in an urban area and regularly have firearms in my vehicles. My guns are not for hunting.

    There is no reason for a police officer to act that way as it is not a violation of any statute. It WOULD be a great reason for a lawsuit.
     
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    Tetleyb,

    Get off your high horse! Jeez!!!

    I used to be stationed at Edwards AFB in California. One of our on base roads was used as a go-between shortcut through the desert. Several times I stopped off duty LASO personnel driving this particular stretch, mostly for speeding. Upon contacting them, they all explained they had weapons in the vehicle. Instead of pulling them out at gunpoint, which I was justified to do. I simply explained that while on a federal installation (which the base was), it was unlawful for them to have the weapon on their person, or in the vehicle. I did so in a polite manner which is professional. Maybe you ought to try it sometime.
     
  18. Jeff White

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    Before anyone get's all bent out of shape about tetleyb's post, let me remind everyone that one of the big reasons we have local law enforcement agencies is so that each community can have it's own standards. What's acceptable where I work won't be acceptable where someone else works. When you start on the job, you soon learn what the community standards are. It might even be in their policy manual to treat that situation as a high risk stop.

    El T, You also live and work in an area where there are decent gun laws. I don't know what the California ststutes are on transporting firearms, but it could be that it's illegal to put a rifle in the gun rack in your rear window there, just like it is here.

    That's all tetleyb was referring to. Officers working in areas where firearms are common are naturally going to look at their presence in a vehicle differently then those who work where basically only the police or the bad guys routinely carry weapons. The best advice is to follow whatever the law is on transporting firearms. That way you don't have to worry about things.

    Jeff
     
  19. EricO

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    TetleyB, help the Skunk and fellow CA occupants out here since you're a CA LE. Obviously, since the Skunk's urban assault vehicle of choice (CRV) has no trunk but rather an area behind the rearmost seats accessed via the rear hatch or over the seat backs, he cannot place them in a "trunk". However, doesn't CA law on this simply say that the firearm needs to be transported in a locked container (a locked case for a longarm), ammo separate, and NOT ACCESSIBLE to the driver, in this case, back behind the rear seats? That should satisfy the requirements I believe.

    Obviously, your comment about taking someone out of the car at gunpoint after you saw or they told you about firearms meant if they weren't cased.
    As far as your being more agressive than most, good for you. I'm from the Bay Area also, and I would do the same. Keep safe.

    EricO
     
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    Jeff I respectfuly disagree. Because of this statement.


    If you just had firearms in the truck/car after being pulled over [...] you would be pulled out at gun point.
     
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    Tetleyb says he works for San Fransisco PD, doesn't suprise me they would act like that.
     
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    tetleyb,

    Hopefully your time here will put some ice on what, to most on this board, appears to be an over-reaction.

    True, you go home every night, but the attitude that you are creating and feeding in those you treat this way is not doing you, or ANY police force any favors.
     
  23. SodaPop

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    I got in a bad car accident about 4 months ago. I got knocked out in the initial impact, and when I came to, I was surrounded by Cops and Paramedics. I opened the door, but was carried out of the car with my Beretta 92FS on me. I told the police officer that I was carrying and he asked where the gun was. He asked if I had a CCW permit and I said, "YES". He just told me to take the gun off and asked if I could hold it while on the stretcher. I was carrying about $600 cash in one hand and a Beretta 92FS in the other hand........ and on my way to the ER:what:

    When I got to the hospital ER room the security asked for the gun. They kept it in a safe and AFAIK nobody even checked my permit.

    The next day (when I checked out) I had to go down to security where my gun was held and they handed it back to me without and problems. Apparently most of the nurses at the hospital were married to the cops and weren't afraid of guns.
    :)

    I was very happy with the Yeadon, Pennsylvania-Police Department.
     
  24. EricO

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    Everyone, before you condemn TetleyB, perhaps you should let him comment or clear up some things. In my mind, I believe that his statement about pulling someone out at gunpoint merely at the mention of having firearms in the car, or him seeing a firearm, meant if it was uncased (which is not lawful in this state) and accessible to the driver or passenger. Now, considering that it's unlawful, and also being up on your tactical knowledge (i.e., Tueller rule, OODA loops, action beats reaction, etc, etc. ad nauseum!) you would be a fool not to treat this as a serious threat to your survival. There are so many variables here that talking about it is nearly impossible. If I had just pulled someone over for a traffic violation, and in approaching the front doors (during my plain view observations of the interior of the car) I noticed an uncased handgun tucked between the seat and armrest, you darn well bet I'd have my handgun out, and quickly retreat to the rear of the vehicle, calling "Gun!" It is illegal to carry a weapon like that, and everyone should know it. Place yourself in that position and tell me you would do differently. I read in many discussion forums/tactics subforums about people's fabulous tactics and the way they handled something. Well, just because the person may (and I say this with reservation) be a law abiding (but rather just oblivious and lacking of commonsense) citizen carrying a weapon in plain view and accessible while driving, doesn't mean that a LE officer should throw caution to the wind and take that chance. I'd rather the LE go home at night and risk scaring the devil out of some "nermal" who didn't abide by the local law (however misplaced sometimes) of transporting firearms. Let's support our LE, not berate them.

    There, rant mode off.
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  25. LawDog

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    *snort*

    This is Texas. We don't have any laws or regulations regarding the carry of shotguns or rifles, other than the courthouses/places of execution/polling places and the stupid school grounds/racetrack laws.

    Just carrying a rifle or shotgun down the road? No law against it.

    I have, in the past, advised people that I have stopped that they might wish to take a rifle or shotgun out of a window rack and place it behind the seat, but that's solely due to smash-and-snatch critters hanging about the local shopping areas, and it would purely break my heart to have a nice little O/U or rifle stolen out of a truck by some no-account meth-head looking to fund his next $20 fix.

    Heh.

    The Special Crimes guys see everything that man can do to man, so they're not what you'd call exactly emotional while at work.

    Howsomeever, one of the absolutely worst facial tics I have ever seen was developed on a Special Crimes detective after he discovered that the shotgun stolen by one of our local meth-heads out of the Wal-Mart shopping lot was, in fact, a Weatherby Athena.

    Detective: "You don't have a clue that the shotgun you stole was worth about three grand?"

    Meth Dde: "Really?"

    Detective: "And you traded it for how much meth?"

    Meth Dude: "Two big rocks." (About $35-$50)

    Detective: "Are you ****ing serious?"

    Meth Dude: (offended)"I was sick bad, man, I just needed a couple of rocks, was all."

    Detective: *twitch, twitch, twitch*

    Meth Dude: "What?"

    :evil:

    LawDog
     
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