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I was wondering...do any of you guys hunt weaing a ghillie suit when hunting?

Part of hunting is staying camouflaged, staying very still and also staying unscented.

I have recently started in full time coyote hunting. I have called a couple good ones in but not close enough for a comfortable shot. The last one obvisouly saw me. I think I moved too much and too fast then. I was thinking of getting a ghillie jacket. I know I still have to be very still not to be seen so will this suit make a difference?

Thanks for your answers.
 
I still have mine in my 4Runner, ready for the next hunt. It sure gives me confidence when I'm expecting close encounters with the wild kind. I carry mine because it hangs up on everything I try to walk past. It also is very warm which helps. If you get it you won't regret it.
 
I used to hunt with a ghillie, I tried just the jacket but it kept getting hung up.(it's fairly thick brush where I hunt) I switched over to a 3D leaf suit, it doesn't get hung up nearly as much and its better for warm weather but I can still fit my jacket under it if I need to, cheaper too.
 
Um, you realize that the Gillie suit was designed not for hunting right??
game wardens used them to catch POACHERS

why all the mess and hassle getting caught on stuff
really, why, what purpose does it serve

But hey the guy who designed 'real tree' is a mulch-millioniar by now, so, um, have at it
just ignore the snickers of the old timer dragging out deer dressed like Elmer Fud
 
Prey animals and predators are color blind and they react to scent, sound and movement. I have had deer pass with in a few feet of me, coyotes will also react to scent, sound and movement. A gillie suit will not make you a better hunter nor convince a deer or coyote that you are a tree or bush, only make it more likely that another hunter will shoot you. Birds? well that.s a different matter.
 
Ron James;7867652 A gillie suit will not make you a better hunter nor convince a deer or coyote that you are a tree or bush said:
That would not be a hunter. It would be something else, but never a hunter.
 
Are we talking about an honest to goodness hand made Ghillie suit with burlap and the whole nine yards or are we talking something you can buy at Cabela's or the like?

I have been in a real Ghillie suit or two and can tell you this. It was HOT, and heavy and stunk like something terrible. So that right there is going to ruin any chance of something not smelling you. And if it is a suit made for crawling it does not have burlap on the front. Though it doesn't really matter, here in CO you have to wear blaze orange anyway. But if legal where you hunt and you want to go for it. To restrictive for me.
 
Well, it all depends. If you are planning on it for deer, I'd use some strips of orange construction tape.

I have one from the military, I made it, and it is hot and a hassle. But it does look cool I guess, and it does work very well against other people. But animals, they sense movement more than anything else. And animals can see in color, just not like us, I'm not sure there is an animal that sees only in B/W. They also can sense movement much faster.

Ever watch a new HD tv and see a scene in a movie where the camera pans and the image looks fuzzy and like it is moving funny? That is because you can detect how fast the image is being displayed, with dogs, these televisions look like a blur. They actually make ones now that dogs can watch. See, the first ones were 60hz, which is faster than you "techincally" can see changes in the movement of the images. But in reality, it didn't work out that way, so we have 120hz now. BTW, some people don't notice the fuzzy jumping images --seems 60hz was right on the line.

The colors they see and how they see them has to do with the ratio of color receptors in the eyes, but it is all tuned to their ability to track movement, it complements it. You say you moved and it saw you instantly. That is how they are tuned, they can detect movement much finer than we can.

What a ghillie suit does is to break up an image, forget about the color. The animal also knows the difference between a person and another deer, much like you do. So looking like a bush can help, but a moving bush? Just as suspect to the deer as it is to you. If you are moving out of context to the environment, that is a red flag to them too.

When using a ghillie suit, you want to use as much of the local vegetation as you can, the millions of yards of hand untwised jute and burlap, that just breaks up your image so you look more like a yehti than a man. Military ones are made so you can crawl, the front is reinforced and has no burlap. They'll snag, but just keep on keeping on. The gucci-flage made for hunters, that would probably work as long as it has netting so you can stuff vegetation in it, and it won't take forever and a week to make.

I grew up stalking, I never used a suit back then I had to do it in blue jeans and a t shirt, and spent many hours laying in one spot. If I still hunted, if I needed to for food, I'd use it today, but I'm content on just sneaking up on them and getting a good look.

And for all the stuff they sell and make for hunting today, the skill of the stalk is being lost. I learned from family who learned from family who were the native population of this country before white men showed up. The crux of it all has to do with movement and sound --if you can lay still and walk through the woods without sounding like a human, you can nearly walk right up on them. And I've done that too. My grandmother, she could sit so still she'd get birds to land on her (she loved bird watching). I almost petted a black tail deer until either my heart was beating so fast it heard that or the rest of my unit crashing through the woods ran it off. They can't see you when you are right in front of them, and if you aren't moving? You might as well be invisible.

Smell is an issue, but there are ways of dealing with smell. The best, and most perfect, is to be downwind. So a ghillie suit can help, but it isn't going to make much difference if you don't master the fundamentals of the stalk.
 
All nice info - the stuff I was looking for. Yes, I still am a believer of giving the the prey a "chance", so no red dot and all that stuff, but of course I still have to use my rifle scope. I believe in out witting these animals. There will always be the satisfaction in "earning" the kill.

Thanks for the responses.
 
Ron James, you are partially right, but not totally!

A new on-going study just a few months old is being done by the School of Natural Resources (forestry & wildlife) at the University of Georgia, funded by the national auto insurance industry, to determine if any specific color will register fear in Whitetail Deer and trigger flight automatically. The idea is to incorporate this color(s) in the headlights of vehicles to reduce deer/vehicle collisions. To date it has been proven that Whitetails CAN see colors, but ALL are red/green color blind as are many humans, especially males. This makes sence to me since many of the best photo intel types in the military will be red/green color blind. The camo industry is also kicking in on the Study since it possibly can rewrite the books on camo clothing for hunters :what:
 
Oh, and don't forget the ultraviolet... seems the see 'higher' than the human eye, so what you think is tree looking can be blaring neon to them.

so once again, how do you get past the ORANGE blaze, I mean, I'm sure the guy won't be shooting AT you, just fail to see you in the line of fire....

And if you do get shot, it's sure to get him off, all he has to say is 'I didn't see him, he was camouflaged'....
 
3D camo sure works well for ducks. Deer, heck, hunter orange doesn't seem to bother 'em. I wouldn't go into public land where rifles are being used to hunt ground game without blaze orange, myself. I'm not suicidal. In fact, I don't go on public land, period, in Texas, more people than acreage here and all the public land is around large populations. No thanks.

On my own land, I sit in a tripod stand.
 
woodsrunner38, that is what I was getting at. They are color blind but not BW color blind. Does that even exist? How do you see white if you are color blind completely? Should have taken the optics classes and then I'd know.

There is a Nat Geo (I think it was them, pretty sure) that was just about this. They showed what it would kind of look like to us to be a bunch of different animals.

The coolest was the owl. Don't even try to hide. Don't even try. UV sight, those things can see mouse TRACKS in the woods at night!

Seeing in color like we do is a disadvantage when it comes to hunting, but would you really trade it? Maybe for the UV vision...
 
I think I moved too much and too fast then.
After hunting & observing coyotes for 60+ years?
And my dog for 12 years.

All Canines have a photographic memory.

They are creators of habit, and follow the same path while hunting day after day.
And mark the same territory day after day, by peeing in the same spots day after day.

If they don't smell it first?
They will see "something" that wasn't there yesterday, or the day or week before.

That is how they know to get off the same path they follow day after day hunting & peeing, and go catch something to eat the brain registered as "wasn't there" yesterday.

A Gillie suit might help, but if it wasn't there the last time the coyote went by?
He is going to see it anyway.

I find a permanent brush blind is better.
After a few days, it registers in their brain as "there yesterday" and after that, they pay absolutely no more attention to it from then on.

rc
 
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I was wondering...do any of you guys hunt weaing a ghillie suit when hunting?

Part of hunting is staying camouflaged, staying very still and also staying unscented.

I have recently started in full time coyote hunting. I have called a couple good ones in but not close enough for a comfortable shot. The last one obvisouly saw me. I think I moved too much and too fast then. I was thinking of getting a ghillie jacket. I know I still have to be very still not to be seen so will this suit make a difference?

Thanks for your answers.
Yes, camo will make a difference. I don't think a ghillie suit offers much advantage over a 3D leaf suit that would be much lighter, cooler and easier to move around in.
 
I love my leafy wear in teal season. It's mesh, allows good air flow and is cool to wear compared to ANY other cloth garments, but it's awesome camo, makes me look like a little tree. :D It also goes over my waders so they don't stick out. My lighter waders aren't camo and will shine if wet. It really works out there in the salt marsh. Duck hunting has more requirement for concealment than does deer hunting and there are no blinds out there on the public marsh, so one must blend.

All that said, I've never even considered a true ghillie suit. I don't wanna die of heat stroke in south Texas. Heck, I've seen 90 degrees down here on Christmas day before.
 
I wont argue that cammo doesnt help but the major thing you have to deal with in hunting deer is your scent. Ive been caught by deer in full orange and as long as i stayed still they total ignored me. Have one scent you at 300 yards and there gone though. I would think that a typical ghille suit that a real sniper would wear would be a smelly deal after a while and is a complete overkill for deer hunting. I kind of get a charge out of cammo junkies. I know guys that will buy all new cammos just because a new pattern comes out that is toted to be the next best thing. Only cammos ive ever owned were army surplus. Only exception to that are my snow cammos i use for coyote hunting. In an all white enviroment you stand out like a sore thumb and coyotes seem to have more sense of something being differnt then deer do.
 
I left the door to my 10 foot elevated box blind open two weeks ago. I watched an 8 pointer come out in the open at 80 yards and he focused right in on me and I sat their motionless for two minutes before he took his eyes off me and went about his business. Back in Oct I had two big bucks and a doe spot me in a ground blind with the windows almost shut at 45 yards, the doe came in but the bucks stood back just out of bow range. Same week I was busted drawing back on an 8 pointer at 19 yards and I was in a 15' ladder stand. They see motion first and foremost and if they get motion and scent they are gone. I am convinced there are deer in shooting range most of the time I am hunting a quality spot and probably most mature bucks know you are there. As hunting pressure picks up you need all the help you can get.
 
Ill argue a bit. I think there nose is there first defense. I get a chance to shoot alot of whitetails every year and that gives me a chance to observe many more. You may think its theres sight that is first but if that same deer would have smelled you you wouldnt have seen him to start with. Ive been out in fields walking 200 yards from deer and they totaly ignored me. Let them get down wind of you though and there gone. Sure, if you have them in at bow range any movement or smell is going to send them running. Ive had deer spot me in a bow stand because of movement, take off and come back 15 minutes later. Ive yet to have a deer come back thats smelled me.
 
Yes, I still am a believer of giving the the prey a "chance", so no red dot and all that stuff

I fail to comprehend what you are saying here. How does using a red dot sight give deer any less of a "chance" than a typical scope? You either put the crosshairs or dot on the vitals and pull the trigger.....one isn't really any more "sporting" than the other, and I don't see how not using a red dot vs using one gives deer a "chance" they might not have had otherwise?
 
Ghillie suits were designed to fool other hunters(people) not animals....A Squirrel doesn't know what a Ghillie suit is...
 
With properly deployed fieldcraft, it is another tool for concealment. If you stalk on the ground downwind of your quarry, and you don't move much or fast, it will break up your silhouette. You don't exactly need the same kind of suit a sniper would use either, that one has a flat skid plate front usually for crawling around. For standing up, you want that broken up some too. If you have a military one, you can just make an apron to go on the front and not make any perm. changes to the suit. I'd put in the orange ribbons though. Short of that, those hunter gucci-flage suits would probably be ideal for hunting, and a lot cheaper in the long run. It takes a long time to make a good suit.

And like was said, yeah, you need to be downwind. If they smell you, you either won't see them or they'll be on high alert towards your direction.

All the suit does is break up your outline. You still need to add local veg. to make it work right. Then you don't want to look like a walking bush, so you gotta be still and move slow when the time is right. Stalking is an art.

I learned how to do it wearing an OD army surplus top and dyed green blue jeans. And an orange camo vest. It worked, but I'd have gotten a lot closer with the suit. At the point they could see me, my cover was blown. Depends on how close you want to get I guess. I bet they'd work great for bird hunting too, because birds depend on sight a lot like we do.
 
I wish I had a picture of my youngest boy when he was about 10, he threw a suit over himself and laid out in a yard of a friend at about the same time a flock of wild turkeys would pass through. He couldn't bear to be still anymore after the turkeys were almost walking over him.
They are heavy and smelly but for calling varmints, waterfowl, turkey, or posting up on big game if your state doesn't require blaze orange the do a nice job of concealment.
Sitting out in sagebrush one has to look long and hard before you can pick a guy up if he stays still.
 
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