GI held in base attack made anti-U.S. remarks

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Not to seem "anti Muslim" but maybe now is a good time to ask any Muslim members of the armed forces of this country if they consider themselves Americans or Muslims first.

If they are Muslims first- thanks, your services are no longer required.

And when radical Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or Earth Worshippers et.al become the enemy, I'd ask the same of them.



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31689

GI held in base attack
made anti-U.S. remarks
Mother of Asan Akbar claims son accused because he is Muslim

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Posted: March 24, 2003
3:10 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The Muslim U.S. soldier accused of killing a division captain and wounding 15 fellow soldiers in a grenade and automatic weapon attack on members of the Army's 101st Airborne Division encamped in northern Kuwait made anti-American statements after he was apprehended, according to the Los Angeles Times.

"You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children," Army Sgt. Asan Akbar was overheard as saying by soldiers who survived the attack.

Akbar, 31, is being held for allegedly rolling grenades into three tents where officers and senior noncommissioned officers were sleeping and shooting at least two fellow soldiers as they raced from their tents.

Following the explosion of the first grenade, the suspect shouted, "We're being attacked!" officers told the Times.

"The first thing I thought was some sort of commando attack, or a terrorist raid," the commander of the division's 1st Brigade, Col. Frederick B. Hodges, said.

Hodges narrowly escaped when an incendiary grenade rolled into his tent, setting it on fire.

"I was furious," added Sgt. Maj. Bart Womack, who shares the tent with Hodges. "I was thinking, 'How did the enemy get into our camp?'"

Womack shook the colonel awake just as a fragmentation grenade exploded next to his cot, spraying shrapnel and wounding Hodges.

The duo stumbled over each other in the smoke as they struggled to get out of the tent. The colonel emerged first, only to be shot in the leg by the suspect, who had been lying in wait by the tent entrance with his rifle.

Womack said Akbar then ran to the next tent a few paces away and tossed a fragmentation grenade inside. When an officer ran out, Womack told the Times, "The guy just stopped, shot the officer in the back when he paused to put on his mask, then he kept on running."

Akbar subsequently was caught carrying two grenades and a standard-issue M-4 automatic rifle. His leg was bleeding, apparently cut by shrapnel.

Of the 16 soldiers injured, 11 were evacuated by helicopter, reports Army Times. The Army identified the soldier who died as Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27.

The camp was named Camp Pennsylvania in honor the victims of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania during the Sept. 11 attacks. Located approximately 20-30 miles south of the Iraqi border, the camp is surrounded by large berms and guarded by armed soldiers, with others in observation posts watching the desert. The camp also is home to Patriot missile batteries.

The paper reports the attack leaves many at the remote camp feeling vulnerable and betrayed.

"It's bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys," Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Times. Simmer had been sleeping in a row of tents behind those that were attacked.

The motive in the attack ''most likely was resentment,'' said Army spokesman Max Blumenfeld, but he did not elaborate.

Two high-ranking U.S. Army sources say Akbar was opposed to the killing of Muslims and opposed to the war in Iraq, according to NBC News.

The Muslim soldier reportedly had become a concern to his commanding officers. Military criminal investigators said he was recently reprimanded for insubordination and was told he would not join his unit's push into Iraq.

Other soldiers told Sky News that Akbar had been acting "weird" for days.

Having graduated from Locke High School in Los Angeles, Akbar, who is black, studied at the Masjid Bilal Islamic Center, a predominantly African American mosque in South-Central Los Angeles.

Those who knew Akbar from the past expressed disbelief that he could be responsible. Imam Hasan told the Times that the Akbar he remembered was a quiet, shy and studious boy who stayed out of trouble, even normal schoolyard scuffles and roughhousing.

"He was never a troublemaker," Hasan said. "I'm remembering him as a kid and listening to what he's charged with, and it doesn't compute. It's completely against the character of the person I knew."

Akbar's mother, Quran Bilal, told the Chicago Sun-Times her son has been accused simply because he is a Muslim, and that he had feared problems due to his faith.

''He said, 'Mama, when I get over there, I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried,'" Bilal continued.

''He's not like that,'' she said. ''He said the only thing he was going out there to do was blow up the bridges. He was never like that.''

She told the paper her son did not participate in the first Iraq war because his religion created a ''conflict of interest."

The Leaf-Chronicle newspaper in Clarksville, Tenn., reported that the FBI combed Akbar's apartment complex in that town early yesterday, looking for clues.

Dennis Olgin, a former Army prosecutor told Fox News Akbar could be charged with treason, but murder and attempted murder would be easier to prove.

The penalty of life would be the minimum if Akbar were to be charged and convicted of murder.
 
The paper reports the attack leaves many at the remote camp feeling vulnerable and betrayed.
I sincerely hope that no member of the 101st ever thought such a wussy thing much less said it! :barf:
 
vulnerable and betrayed.
:confused: Can any former military people on this board even imagine themselves saying such a thing?





Komrade Klinton did his work well it would seem.

Army Sgt. Asan Akbar attended UC Davis. If he wasn't blathering anti-American crap, then I would be surprised.


:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire:

:cuss:ing RAT :cuss:
 
Mommy says he's a good boy and wouldn't harm a fly. I say give em a fair trial before you hang him.
 
He may have contributed to the shoot down of the British Jet by a patriot missle. The base wetn on attack alert just as the unfortunate jet passed overhead with a malfunctioning trasponder leaving little room to make a fire no fire decsion.
 
Betrayed, yes. Vulnerable, no. Of course, his momma would say that he's a victim here of American religious intolerance.:rolleyes:

Yeah, I know that's not what she said but that's what she was implying.
 
MURDER IN THE 101ST AIRBORNE

By DANIEL PIPES
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March 25, 2003 -- "How did the enemy get into our camp?"

That's what Bart Womack, a command sergeant major of the elite 101st Airborne Division, asked himself as a grenade rolled past him after 1 a.m. on Sunday at an American camp in Kuwait.


The attacker worked methodically, destroying an electricity generator, throwing grenades into Womack's tent and the two other command tents, then shooting tents. One soldier died and 15 sustained injuries.


The enemy in this case appears to be not what one might expect - an Iraqi soldier or a Kuwaiti Islamist. The only suspect in custody is Hasan Karim Akbar, 31, a sergeant in the 101st Airborne Division.

If Akbar were responsible for the rampage, what might be his motivation? First reports suggest that, as a devout African-American convert to Islam, he identifies with the Iraqi enemy against his fellow soldiers.

The Los Angeles Times quotes him stating, after he was apprehended, "You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."

NBC found that he "was opposed to the killing of Muslims and opposed to the war in Iraq." Reuters quotes one source saying, "He's a Muslim, and it seems he was just against the war," while another told the news agency that the violence was "politically motivated."

There is evidence to suggest that Akbar expected to get in trouble even before he arrived in Kuwait. His former stepfather quotes him saying that Akbar "did not want to fight in this war, he didn't want to go over there." A neighbor explains why: "America shouldn't be going," Akbar told him; he judged it not "right" to attack Iraq. And his mother quotes him: "Mama, when I get over there I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried."

This incident raises two issues.

First, the U.S. government's initial response indicates that, once again, it is ascribing violence by an American Muslim to purely personal causes. Here's its take on prior homicides:

* "A prescription drug for or consistent with depression" to explain why El Sayyid A. Nosair in 1990 shot Rabbi Meir Kahane.

* "Road rage" to explain why Rashid Baz in 1994 shot a Hassidic boy on the Brooklyn Bridge.

* "Many, many enemies in his mind" to explain why Ali Hasan Abu Kamal in 1997 shot a tourist on the Empire State Building's observation deck.

* "A work dispute" as why Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet in 2002 shot two people at the El Al counter of Los Angeles International Airport.

Akbar in 2003? U.S. Army spokespersons talk variously about an "attitude problem," a desire for "retribution" and "resentment."

The chief chaplain at Akbar's Fort Campbell, Ky., home base announces (completely without evidence) that the incident is "not an expression of faith."

No one yet knows Akbar's motives, but ignoring that it fits into a sustained pattern of political violence by American Muslims amounts to willful self-deception. When will officialdom acknowledge what is staring it in the face?

Its avoidance of reality has real consequences, increasing the dangers Americans face. "This country's officials are in a state of denial and confusion that is almost as frightening as the terrorism they are supposed to be fighting," observes Dennis Prager, only slightly exaggerating.

Second, the Akbar incident points to the suspect allegiance of some Muslims in government. The case of Gamal Abdel-Hafiz recently surfaced: an FBI agent whose colleagues say he twice refused to record conversations with suspected financiers of militant Islamic terrorism ("A Muslim does not record another Muslim"). Other cases are under investigation.

All of which reinforces what I wrote in January: "There is no escaping the unfortunate fact that Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps need to be watched for connections to terrorism, as do Muslim chaplains in prisons and the armed forces. Muslim visitors and immigrants must undergo additional background checks. Mosques require a scrutiny beyond that applied to churches and temples."

As Sgt. Womack noted, the enemy has already managed to "get into our camp." Do we have the will to stop him before he strikes again?

www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/71719.htm
 
"You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children," Army Sgt. Asan Akbar was overheard as saying by soldiers who survived the attack.

Sounds like resentment alright...

of America.




How does the military execute convicted personnel?

Lethal injection, or do they still use firing squads and/or hanging?
 
"You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children," Army Sgt. Asan Akbar was overheard as saying by soldiers who survived the attack.

Sounds like a paranoid schizo to me.
 
Doesn't the UCMJ still have a provision for a battlefield court-martial followed by an execution if he is found guilty of treason?

That's the route I believe we would all prefer for this POS.

GT
 
Once they found out what had happened, a military general court should of been called. With in 24-48 hours the trial would of been completed. Sgt. Akbar then could of been stood against a wall and then shot.

And I don't care what religion the SOB professed, execute him, he murdered two others!

The friggin traitor!
 
Ditto all of the above. The flame war on the other thread over Michelle Malkin's opinion piece was getting Usenetesque. No Moussaoui-like f'ing around with this terrorist. Put him in front of a firing squad and give every man a live round.
 
recent converts are always the most fundamentalist, whatever the religion (well except maybe us catholics). its definately one for military justice, but not for treason - it would reward his act with recognition - but just as assaulting a senior officer, attempted murder, murder, etc etc. the end result would be the same, but those behind this wouldnt be able to say he fought against america
 
If they are Muslims first- thanks, your services are no longer required.

While I appreciate the idea behind the proposed questioning, I assure you than almost all of the true Muslims would say they are Muslims first, and they should. That's just a fundamental belief of most religions. You are on the earth, but not of the earth. Your God always comes before your political leader.

No questioning would be able to decipher which were going to turn on the officers or against our Country. The problem I see, is multiple officers saw him as a problem before the attack and did nothing about it.
 
its definately one for military justice
Yes, and that is the precise reason that he should be tried for the crimes he committed.

I certainly hope that the military doesn't resort to plea-bargaining his crime in consideration for how Akbar will be percieved by his 7th century barbarian fellows.

Besides, the perceptions of the 7th century barbarians are immaterial and irrelevant. They are subsisting on borrowed time.

Tickticktick........
 
I love this quote :

She told the paper her son did not participate in the first Iraq war because his religion created a ''conflict of interest."


then why did he Join the military?? you not knowing who your enemy might be one day , if your religon is more important than your contry study religon not join the Military .. another person who joined to go to school not figh t to defend . IMo
 
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