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The biggest problem I see with home schooling is that if the parents don't allow the children to have a life outside the house the children will never assimilate (sp) in society. And I am not talking about becoming a sheep but being able to cope with different people and general coping skills.
I agree with Zundfolge. This is a myth.

How do I know? My wife and I homeschooled 6 kids in 5 different states. Oldest graduated college cum laude on scholarhip. Two others are in college now.

In every case, we were involved in home school cooperatives. They organize lots of field trips for the kids. When we were living in the Sant Cruz mountains in the Bay Area, the kids did lots of 'hippie' things like visiting an organic farm and making their own Comfrey ointment with real beeswax. Cool. They also had the HEAD of the STANFORD science department give them the ol' nitrogen-frozen-banana demo and the "implosion vs. explosion" with hydrogen demo in his basement. Turns out his daughter was a member of the home-schooling cooperative. He loved teaching the home school kids.

Home schoolers invariably get together and swap services. Except for the weirdo separitists in the mountains.

Besides, when the neighbor kids get home at 3:15 (or whenever), the home-schooled kids are asked to join in all the after-school play anyway. And then there's Church, if that's your thing.
 
The biggest problem I see with home schooling is that if the parents don't allow the children to have a life outside the house the children will never assimilate (sp) in society. And I am not talking about becoming a sheep but being able to cope with different people and general coping skills.
That is precisely what happened to me. I wasn't unable to assimilate, but I had a hell of a time and some very harsh years of spinning my wheels before I was able to relate to other people around me.

In every case, we were involved in home school cooperatives.
That makes a HUGE difference. I received nothing like this, and had no siblings in the house. My education mostly consisted of, "Here are your textbooks for 6-12 grades, good luck," in addition to hours of penmanship training and all the Chick tract propaghanda.

Those cooperatives are NOT a given. However, I would be willing to bet that there are more options for well-to-do home educators nowadays.

Home schoolers invariably get together and swap services. Except for the weirdo separitists in the mountains.
We didn't live in the mountains, but we didn't work with any other home schoolers either.

when the neighbor kids get home at 3:15 (or whenever), the home-schooled kids are asked to join in all the after-school play anyway.
The same logic that led my parents to remove me from school, led them to eventually ban my association with secular children, and of course all of the children somehow qualified as non-christian, with the exception of one kid whose hobbies involved crying, wetting himself, and getting beat-up. Not too good for social adaptaion.
 
Guess it greatly depends on the school. To listen to some of the things said about public schools in general, it's a wonder we're here today with the ability to type on the forum and think.
 
To listen to some of the things said about public schools in general, it's a wonder we're here today with the ability to type on the forum and think.
Yeah, no kidding. Maybe it is because I live in an area that has 14 military bases, but my public-schooled kids haven't been subjected to any of that leftist claptrap that every one else is talking about. And that is in California.

If they don't hear that crap in school, they will hear it in college, (Unless they go to Pensacola, BYU or BIOLA, where they will hear the inverse.) I would rather my kids be exposed to those ideas when they still believe me over the teacher, than in college, where they are more likely to buy into that stuff.
 
Rock Jock, you're a swell guy, but it's misplaced. I received most of my education at a private school.
So, what makes you such an expert opinion on public schools. Oh wait, the fact that they are associated with the govt makes them automatically eeevil, huh?

Rock Jock obviously learned his manners in the Public Schools.
Well, when I read a statement like the one I responded to that is borne out of ignorance and fear, I generally take exception.
 
To get back on the gun track, my son will someday inherit a fairly large (and growing) gun collection. Also, is it wrong for me to start eyeballing youth model 870s when my son is still only 2 years old? :)
 
Also, is it wrong for me to start eyeballing youth model 870s when my son is still only 2 years old?

Heck no, my 2 year old daughter "has" a Ruger 10/22.
 
I can't speak for or against home schooling, but I will happily point out that the public school systems are nothing more than a grist mill that dehumanizes the individual, kills the spirit, and quashes any sort of creative or unorthodox thinking through both systemic and peer-based pressure

I hope this doesn't get me banned or in trouble here in any way since you are a mod. Here goes: This is one of the most general, high-handed statements I've read here. If you had a bad experience, I'm sorry to hear it.

I'm a high school chemistry teacher in the public school system in Oklahoma. I have a marketable degree. I could have done something to make me alot more $$$ than teaching in Oklahoma. I love my job. It's a blast.

I take alot of offense to the way you paint the whole system with that wide of a brush. There are alot of things that teachers are forced to deal with that isn't a part of "teaching", and most all of them impact on how we are able to get the message across.

Walk a day in my shoes, then talk to me about how bad of a job we all do. I would think someone on this site would be more careful about making those types of broad statements.

I'm not trying to say that there aren't bad teachers. Hell, I could point to people in my own building that I wish would go on down the road, but I'm pretty sure you could do the same at your job. I hope people don't talk about you and others that are in your profession like you did me.

Thanks.
Scott Nelson
Dehumanizing, quasher of all spirit and creative reason. :rolleyes:
 
SAN,
I dont think the comment was meant necessarily as an attack on teachers. Notice he singled out the school system.
You know as well as anyone that the school system makes demands on its teachers that frequently run counter to good teaching practices. Just the idea of having 10-25 kids in a single class inevitably involves some kind of compromise between the weaker students and the stronger ones. Some kids learn better with certain techniques than others. Ideally you would custom-tailor an approach and curriculum for each child. And that is precisely what homeschooling does (or should do anyway) because the teacher-student ratio is usually 1:1. Teachers in schools do not have that luxury and so have to make compromises in some ways. That is not the teachers' fault, that is inherent in any system of mass-schooling.
 
I didn't say that all home-schoolers have a problem assimilating. If you were to read the first sentence it once again goes back to the parents. I know that there are cases where the parents do not let their childern associate with anyone else but the family. Those are the childern that will have problems down the road.
I also know that there are organizations out there that home-schoolers belong to and that most parents will have the children in other activities outside the home.
 
I agree with giving them guns they've grown up up, except for the cheap part; no quicker way to get someone to dislike shotguns than to give them an NEF for their first. (Unless it's the .410) My older son's first shotgun is his 20 ga. 870, as will be his brother's in a few years. My first shotgun was a 20 ga. bolt action, and it slowed my wingshooting abilities up by several years. So my sons will get the very shotgun I longed for as a kid. My older son has already gone on a game farm pheasant hunt with his, and is a good wingshot, far better than I was at 11. He did get to use my H&R .410 before he got the 870, but the 870 is his, and he is responsible for cleaning and caring for it. He knows he can only handle it when I am with him, (his mother doesn't like shotguns, for the reason above.) and he has learned the Four Rules. He has already picked out which of my Mosin Nagants he wants, but he's not getting all of them! ;)

I 'home school' about the important things: The Ten Commandments, The Golden Rule, and as Col. Cooper put it, "To Ride, Shoot straight, and speak the Truth." Otherwise, they go to a good school system. Their uncle is on the school board, their grandpa is a past president of it, and their mother, uncles and aunts, and cousins went to it, and all turned out well. ;)
 
Broad brush

San 408 has a very valid point. There are ALL kinds of people teaching, and there are excellent, mediocre, and bad teachers, of every political stripe and way of thinking. In both public and private schools.

And, just as fairly, there are ALL kinds of parents home-schooling their kids. Of every political stripe and way of thinking. And some do an excellent, some a mediocre, and some a bad job of it.

Everybody went through an education experience on the way to growing up. That makes everyone an expert on what makes education bad and how crappy teachers are, right? And of course all teachers are equally crappy, equally leftist, etc, etc.

By the same logic, everyone has had medical treatment at one time or another, therefore everyone is qualified to diagnose and treat diseases, and criticize doctors, right?

Funny how everyone is an expert on education, and feels free to tell teachers how they should be doing their jobs, but when they get a mysterious heavy feeling in their chest, nothing but a (very expensive) heart specialist will do! And you don't tell the heart specialist how he should be holding the stethoscope!

I've been inside and outside of both public and private education. The one advantage private education gets automatically is the ability to rid itself of the riff-raff who shouldn't be there. These kids of course get dumped on the public schools, where they take up considerable staff time and effort, to very little benefit. And the public schools of course are unable to get rid of these kids. Then the public schools get criticized because the private schools do better. :banghead:

The other advantage private education MAY have is the commitment of the parents and kids involved. Committed parents and kids of course do better, but that is true IF the kids and parents in a public system feel committed, also. It's just more likely in the private system, but even there it's not guaranteed.

Homeschooling works very well if it is done right, and is a disaster if done wrong. It mostly depends upon the commitment of the participants. How is that different from public schools or private schools??

To get this thread back on topic, 'way back in the day, I instructed Hunter Safety classes right in the school--after hours--and for no pay, of course. We used real guns in as examples. The kids handloaded ammunition. Right in a public school building, imagine that!

The kids were taught sportsmanship and fairness, along with good gun handling. We had some of the "worst" kids in the school go through the course, but never a behavior problem, because (1) The kids, and their parents, felt a commitment to the program, and (2) Hunter Safety Instructors, unlike "real" teachers, were empowered to kick kids out of the program if they misbehaved, and refuse to pass them unless the Instructor felt that the student would actually be a safe gun handler in the field. No questions asked, no appeal process. We never had to kick anybody out, and nobody failed the course, IIRC. But that was partly because they COULD fail!

That's really the problem with public education in this country: The educators are forced--by politicians, from the President down to the local school board--to guarantee that no one will fail. With no commitment, no effort, from the parents. This is impossible, of course, so school superintendents have to lie about it to their school boards, and then force the teachers under them to make motions as if all the kids were succeeding. This wastes tremendous amounts of teacher creativity and time, not to mention your tax money. If students in public schools were routinely flunked for non-achievement, and kicked out for bad behavior, you would see an immediate solution to a great deal of what's wrong with public schools. And private schools and home schooling would immediately lose a great deal of their attractiveness. But that "ain't gonna happen any time soon."
 
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