Giving the "silent treatment" when pulled over

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Well, I havent been pulled over in years, but I was thinking the next time I am, I was just going to hand over my license and ins and not say a word. Even if asked questions. In TX we are only "required to Identify", which I just did by handing over my info. Good idea / bad idea?
 
I would take it as a sign you are trying to hold back the smell of alcohol on your breath. Or the sign that you are too intoxicated too talk.

I understand the resentment, if not obvious hatred, of law enforcement that is around on these boards.

But if you want respect from an officer, you should give it too him.

If you are issued a summons, chances are you are going to want to say something, or ask a question.

Ive had people say things to the extent "I dont wish to discuss my personal life officer" etc etc. When I asked "how are you this evening?" or "where are you headed tonight?"

Those things, I dont really mind. So long as you answer the important questions and give me your information thats fine.
 
Truthfully I dont think its a good idea. The vast majority LEOs are good people and are just trying to make sure that everyone is driving safely and not "up to no good."
Being silent and ignoring any questions the officer asks you would IMO, raise a lot of unneccessary suspicion and could end up having you pulled out of your car and being searched. That would be frustrating for you and the LEO and a major waste of time. I'm no fan of being pulled over, but there is no reason to act rude to a LEO that is just trying to do his/her job.
 
I've gotten off with warnings on at least half of my traffic stops and had my mph over reduced on a couple of occasions. I suspect that would immediately drop to 0% were I a jerk to the officer.

It should be noted that in every instance I was guilty, even when I didn't think the infraction merited dealing with a cop. As such, I don't see where I've got anything to gain out of treating him badly - I'll eventually plead no contest and have the ticket expunged anyway. If there's a chance I can get the ticket torn up in the first place, so much the better.
 
That was my worry. I wanted to know if that would be interpreted as being rude.

I've actually been fortunate and never met a jerk LEO. I like the "not discussing my personal life" answer. Not snotty, but also conveys the message that I choose not to surrender my rights via answering loaded "slip-up questions".
 
I try to treat all people in a courteous manner, whether in a professional environment, leisure, etc. I think that is the right way to act. I'm not saying that everyone always gets my best, but I make an effort, even when things aren't going my way.

I think that if everyone tried to be a little nicer, the world would be a better place.

Regards,

Stinger
 
Why wouldn't you talk to an officer during a traffic stop? Seriously I don't get what you're hoping to avoid. If you're asked an unreasonable question just say so and don't answer it. Past that be polite, hey how's your day, no I had no reason to speed. I've never had to do that even, plus by not being cute and pulling something like that I've avoided getting tickets about 2/3rd of the time.
 
Is "Do you have any weapons" an unreasonable question?
Some say yes, some say no.
I keep a 12ga in the back seat. 100% legal in TX. But I would rather not share that information with a LEO for them to intrepret however they please.
Thats getting in the express lane for unfair treatment. I know that the gun isnt a threat to him, because I am the one in control of it. So I dont think I should have to answer that question. But if I just answered alot of other questions, then it looks bad.
 
Traffic stops are a very slippery slope regardless of how you handle them. 9 times out of 10, there is something that the officer can write you a ticket for that you just did, be it speeding or otherwise. All of the times I have been pulled over, it has been for a justifiably ticketable offense. The problem with speaking to the officer is that depending on the questions he asks you, it could help him build his case for a ticket against you.

On the flip side, however, if you admit that you broke the law, say it was stupid, and generally look remorseful, the cop is much more likely to give you a break and let you off. One time I went through a stop sign quickly (I didn't run it, but I stop short and then immediately went again). A cop pulled me over. I had read a bunch of tips on how to beat tickets and was told to ask outright why you have been pulled over. So, I asked the officer why he pulled me over, to which he responded, "I was hoping we could just discuss this right here, but if you need me to explain I could go back and start writing down my reasons on a ticket." He then asked me why I thought I was pulled over, so I said, "I took that last intersection a little aggressively" (I tried to be as non-committal as possible :rolleyes: ) He let me off witha verbal warning.

All that said, if you have done something very serious (ie, you will need lawyer to straighten it out), keep your mouth shut. You will only hurt your cause if you open it.
 
Isn't TX one of the states where you're required to hand over your carry permit when stopped by an LEO? So while the details might not be known to the officer, it will be assumed you've got some sort of firearm. (Maybe not a shotgun in the back seat, which would be a little awkward to deploy under such circumstances anyway).

I manage about one speeding ticket every three years, very close to the maximum my state lets drivers just pay and not collect points. When pulled over, I smile, make nice and admit to nothing. There are lots of polite, unresponsive answers to make to most questions. There's little to lose in being civil to the person with the badge, radio, mace, nightstick, sidearm and handcuffs ready to hand and a great deal to gain by not annoying him or her. Create a situation, and you may come out okay in court but you won't have any fun at all between the arrest and the trial.

While a signficant number of LEOs can indeed be jerks (and how might we be, in their job?), only a very few are just plain evil. Most will be about as nice you as you are to them.
 
Maybe this is stretching things a bit, but; what about one's constitutional protections from self-incrimination? If I had a beer after dinner just before leaving the restaurant, opening my mouth and allowing the officer to smell any alcohol could mean I just incriminated myself. Or saying anything close to admitting I was speeding. Granted, speeding is a minor violation, and likely nothing would come of having had a beer but not being drunk, but what about the principle of the matter?

Of course, a very extreme example would be to say even though I was pulled over for speeding, doing anything, including identifying myself by handing over my license could be self incrimination.

I'm not saying I would do any of this, I don't really want to be any test case, but in theory... well, everything works in theory.
 
When I tried it, the officer just kept repeating his questions louder and more urgently.

Finally, I had to tell him I had heard him, tell him that his question was "blah blah" and my response was: *silence*. THEN he finally got that I was simply refusing to answer that question.

I wouldn't recommend the silent treatment, just verbally refuse to answer the question. It's quicker and LEOs are less likely to assume that you are planning to attack them or something.

'Course in my case it helped confuse the officer enough to get outta tests for DUI and get outta a speeding ticket (55 in a 25 I would guess), but I still got a ticket for no registration and one for no insurance. I wouldn't recommend anyone try any of those things.:banghead:
 
The vast majority LEOs are good people and are just trying to make sure that everyone is driving safely and not "up to no good."

Did you see that episode of Cops where some North Carolina police literally grabbed and drugged a resident out of his car JUST for soliciting a prostitute?
Way over the top in my book.

Now, I don't despise every single cop out there, but I do realize that a lot of people who get into law enforcement have power trips and tend to get overzealous. That said, I don't think it's a good idea to stay totally silent during a traffic stop. Don't say anything to automatically incrimidate yourself but do say enough to keep the police officer from getting pissed off at you. Giving him hostility up front won't help you.
 
What's wrong with being polite, answering the officer's questions and then go along your merry way?

You try that silent treatment and you may as well give up any plans you had for the rest of the day. Why would anyone want to set off alarm bells in some Average-Joe-LEO's head when they get stopped. IMHO, that is self-destructive behavior. Just be cool and you'll soon be on your way. The LEO is just an individual doing his job, a working stiff like you and me. If you want to make a political statement, write your congressman a letter...
 
all I can say is, the silent treatment isn't a good idea..... but if conversing, don't use the line, "Hey officer, is that a BUG in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" - if you're a guy.

I haven't tried it, but I have a pretty good idea it's not the wisest thing that could be said.
 
In Texas you can be arrested for speeding in a simple traffic stop although it almost never happens and the officer normally issues a summons.

Go ahead and be cute if you want to I don't see how it will help you any. Just keep your answers truthful and to the point:

LEO - 'Do you know why I stopped you?'

You- 'No'... because you don't really know why even if you were going 90.

LEO - 'Do you know how fast you were going when I saw you?'

You - 'No' Because you really have no idea when he first saw you...

You get the idea. But always be truthful...
 
Bad idea.

When dealing with LEOS always act, professionally and respectfully. Never make them consider you a suspect by faililng to communicate. But being too nice and chummy can also have an adverse effect by making the cop belief you are trying to hide something. We don't want to read a post stating how the cops threw you in the slammer for failing to obey a order.

My father was always good at getting out of tickets, by talking to the LEO in a respectful manner. He never said anything he didn't mean to say, and knew how to respond to the officer's questions with a smile. Basically he would set the officer up to make a final discision to let him off by showing he was not a threat to public saftey. Even if he got a ticket he would not complain or become abusive to the officer. I just treat them as a normal Joe or Jane doing their job. I might not like cops but in most cases they are just doing what they are paid.
 
Roll down window only part way.
Keep hands in clear view.
Present license and registration.
Be friendly and polite (Good evening, officer. What can I do for you?)
Say as little as humanly possible without being rude.
Do not answer incriminating questions (Do you know why I pulled you over?).
Do not concent to a search.
Do not leave your door open if you are asked to exit the car.
 
With routine stops, I try to be polite but taciturn. Don't get too gabby, and never agree to any search of any kind, beyond the required ID check and anything required by state law relating to a CCW or firearm. Keep it simple, say "sir," and be professional. I answer if asked re. a firearm, and tell them if I'm actually carrying of course.

I used to get pulled over all them time when I drove my ratty little S-10. Surprisingly, since I started going by bicycle I've ridden right passed parked cops--sometimes with a large rifle sticking out of my backpack, but I've never been pulled over.
 
*shrugs* I dunno, I figure there's a good reason for most of the questions they're asking me (so far they've all been related to the stop in some way) and I have no problem answering reasonable questions.

When I first visited Arizona, I had some plastic license plate cover over my rear license plate to keep rain, mud, etc. off. Evidently this violated some sort of law in Arizona, and I was pulled over by a highway patrol officer. I had crossed the state line about 25 miles before, and was exercising my right to open carry.

After stopping, I turned off the car, rolled down the passenger window, and had my hands on the wheel.

The conversation went something like this:

Me: Good afternoon, officer.
Officer: Good afternoon. Do you know why I stopped you?
M: No.
O: You have a plastic cover on your rear license plate. That is not allowed here in Arizona.
M: My apologies, officer. I was unaware of that law. I would be happy to remove the cover now, if you wish.
O: That won't be necessary. Where are you heading today?
M: Scottsdale, sir. I'm visiting a friend for a week.
O: I see. May I have your license, registration, and proof of insurance?
M: Of course. Before I retrieve them, I would like to inform you that I am legally carrying a pistol on my left hip.
O: What type of pistol?
M: A Glock 19, sir.
O: How do you like it?
M: [briefly puzzled] Quite well. It's fun, inexpensive to shoot, and is quite accurate at the range. It fits me quite well.
O: Excellent, the department issues us Sigs, and I own two Sigs of my own but I've been looking at getting a Glock for a while now. As long as your pistol stays in its holster, there won't be a problem.
M: Not a problem officer. [retrieve license, registration, insurance, hand them to the officer]
[officer returns to his cruiser, does Cop Stuff(tm) for 5 minutes or so, and returns with a warning]
O: I'm going to give you a fix-it ticket for your license plate cover. In the event that you get pulled over by someone else between here and Scottsdale, just show them this and they'll let you proceed. Just be sure to remove it once you get to Scottsdale. Once you do so, you can mail in the form saying you took care of it. Sign here, please.
M: [signs] Thank you officer, have a good day.
O: You too. [returns to cruiser and departs while I start my car and carry on my trip]

I figure a lot of the questions the police ask during a stop are to "size up" the person being stopped, and get a better feel if they're a "good guy" or "bad guy". I strive to be a law-abiding person (I certainly didn't intend to violate the law against the license plate cover), and try to present myself that way to the police officer. If I were confrontational or failed to answer reasonable questions, I suspect things might have turned out for the worse.

That said, I would not consent to a search of my vehicle (nothing to hide, but I value my privacy) or reveal any information which I felt the officer had no business knowing and had no legal authority to require.

Hell, even when I was driving a hatchback in California and had a gun in the car (a cased, unloaded Kel-Tec SU-16B), I had to stop at a DUI checkpoint one night along with all the other cars on this particular road. The officer asked how my friend and I were doing, and if we'd be drinking. We hadn't, and responded accordingly. He asked what was in the rifle case in the back (he could see through the rear window). I responded "a rifle, sir". He asked what kind and if I liked it. I responded that it was a Kel-Tec SU-16B, and I liked it quite a bit, though the handguards did get warm when one was doing drills at the range. He nodded and waved us through after suggesting that we remove the rifle from the car when not in transit between home and the range (I had just gotten out of the range a few hours ago, and hadn't had time to stop off at home yet). No big deal.

Ok, this post is quite a bit longer than I had expected, but I think it gets the point across, even if I do ramble a bit.
 
Ive thought about this, but I know we have a number of LEOs on this board.

I've only been pulled over a few times, gotten 1 ticket but some cops (Simi Valley, CA comes to mind) have harrassed me for no reason - I was stopped at a stop light, cop pulls behind me. Lights flash. When he comes over to me he says "I just wanted to say Hi. What are you doing here?" I admit, being younger than I said the wrong thing "Is it illegal to be driving home at 8 PM?' Cop: "...no" me: "then why are you wasting my ****ing time".

Kinda feel bad about it but I wouldnt do that now. I am not sure of legality of keeping a loaded gun in my car in Ohio without a CCW so I havent done it, but I do worry about whether I should 'declare' my guns in my trunk if I am traveling to a reenactment or the range. To date I have not been pulled over with one of my guns in the car (always in the trunk, with ammo in the back seat, per Ohio law)

Id really love to start considering LEOs 'on my side' like I do the military (ex-Army here) but there are too many power-freaks and alphabet agency jerks out there that ruin it for your small town cop.
 
Heypete, your experiences are pretty good advice. Some police I've ran into treated everyone like a criminal up front, but with the attitude you displayed, you shouldn't have any problems.
 
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