Global Poverty Act has hidden Gun Control

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This is the best reason I've seen to hold my nose and vote Republican.

If the Democrats get a filibuster-proof Senate, the UN might as well write our laws and rewrite our Constitution. What their infatuation is with the Dictator's Club, I don't know.
 
We refused to sign the global warming treaty, so did China. I dont see this going anywhere. I would like to ban all people who promote stupid bills.
 
What their infatuation is with the Dictator's Club, I don't
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Most member nations of the UN are for all practical purposes dictatorships.

When most people think UN they think Europe, US, Russia etc and forget about each of the 3rd world podunk nations run by tin pot dictators that are full voting members. Each and every one of their votes counts exactly the same as that of the US or Great Britain or Russia.
 
But really, and this is a problem with the EU as well and the Europeans are certainly waking up to it, why should anyone who advocates government being "of, by and for the people" want the UN to have any power?

Even in countries like ours, we the people have no voice in the UN. It's a power multiplier for the individuals on top, even if they're not dictators -- though, as you say, many or most certainly are.
 
Each and every one of their votes counts exactly the same as that of the US or Great Britain or Russia.
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Yes, that's right. Except that the US still has unilateral veto ability, does it not? (Along with the other four original countries, IIRC?)

Do people not realize that the US is only in the UN because it's most advantageous to the US' interests in the rest of the world? The US isn't going to sign anything that would be that detrimental to domestic issues. At least, not yet...
 
The US isn't going to sign anything that would be that detrimental to domestic issues. At least, not yet...
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That depends on a few things.

The beliefs of many Americans left-of-center is that the US should be subservient to the UN. There's surprising support for this, and there's plenty of support for this in Congress. Note that John Bolton, probably the best thing the Bush administration ever did or will do, could not get a full appointment.

Being a member of a worldwide diplomatic body to protect our own interests makes sense. Certainly, that's what Russia, China, and others do. What is frightening is that many of our elected representatives either don't understand this, or are actively working to undermine our own country.

It's one or the other: either they don't understand that other UN members are simply looking after their own interests, and there's nothing wrong with looking after ours, OR they actually want to work against US interests.
 
Each and every one of their votes counts exactly the same as that of the US or Great Britain or Russia.
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Yes, that's right. Except that the US still has unilateral veto ability, does it not? (Along with the other four original countries, IIR
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Yes and no.

You have to distinguish between the General Assembly and the Security Council. In the GA, each country has 1 vote. Upper Volta matters there as much as the USA. In the SC, each of the 15 members has 1 vote. 5 of the members are permanent - the US, Britain, France, China and the Soviet Union, errrr, Russia. The other 10 rotate membership, sometimes to countries that matter a bit (like Germany or India or Brazil), and sometimes the Upper Volta types. The 5 permanent members also have a veto, so even a 14-1 vote fails to pass a measure if that 1 is from a permanent member. Otherwise, a simple majority wins.

Note, by the way, that in order to be eligible to be a member of the Security Council, a nation must be a member of a regional group. For example, Denmark is a member of the European region, and is therefore eligible (even if not picked for many years at a time). The one and only country that is ineligible for Security Council membership is Israel - because its Arab neighbors utterly refuse to allow it to join the regional group to which they belong. Israel has asked the Europeans to admit it to their regional grouping, but they've refused. That's worse than taxation without representation.

The General Assembly passes feel good measures (for those passing them, that is - they usually don't feel good to the victim nations, chiefly Israel, Taiwan and the US, and previously including South Africa).

As for me, I subscribe to the "US out of the UN, UN out of the US" theory of diplomacy. The whole thing is a nest of thieves and brutal thug dictatorships, and is worse than useless.
 
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Being a member of a worldwide diplomatic body to protect our own interests makes sense. Certainly, that's what Russia, China, and others do. What is frightening is that many of our elected representatives either don't understand this, or are actively working to undermine our own country.

It's one or the other: either they don't understand that other UN members are simply looking after their own interests, and there's nothing wrong with looking after ours, OR they actually want to work against US interests.
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Sam Adams said:
As for me, I subscribe to the "US out of the UN, UN out of the US" theory of diplomacy. The whole thing is a nest of thieves and brutal thug dictatorships, and is worse than useless.
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I wholeheartedly agree with both statements and thank you Sam Adams, for your clarification of the UN process.
 
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This is the best reason I've seen to hold my nose and vote Republican.
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Not a chance and never again will I vote for the lesser of two evils. The Constitution and Bill of Rights is too important.

Tip O"Neil once said that "all politics is local". It's true. Those state and local elected "leaders" who support such a move as restrictions on firearms have to live with us.
 
Not a chance and never again will I vote for the lesser of two evils.
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Hell, I didn't even agree with Ron Paul 100%, even on gun issues.

There's a difference between "lesser evil" and "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good." I'll take it on a case-by-case basis.
 
There was a bill passed that would end the UN's funding if it tried to impose laws that were against the US constitution.
 
Hell, I didn't even agree with Ron Paul 100%, even on gun issues.

There's a difference between "lesser evil" and "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good." I'll take it on a case-by-case basis.
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Agreed. I disagree with him on capital punishment but he is smart enough to know that it is a state issue.

As for the Obama and the others, the ONLY standard on which we must judge them is the Constitution which clearly states that it is the "Supreme Law of the Land". The anti's need to realize this. If they can't, maybe we can help them along - after all, this is a 2nd Amendment forum.
 
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The UN is just a collection of America hating dictators and socialist.

They cry imperialism when America intervens to stop civil wars and cry racsicm when America does not interven in civil wars.

They want America to pay for every socialist program they come up with and call America heartless capitalist who get rich of the backs of poor countries.

When GW promised 1BILLION US TAX DOLLARS for AIDs in Africa they said it was not enough, although Americans donate more than 10BILLION for AIDS relief in Africa through charites.

It's time to send the UN to the Hauge and use the property in New York for parking.
 
Far be it from me to interrupt all the UN-hating, but I need to echo Lichter here:

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Not sure where the anti-gun provision is. I read through the several versions on Thomas and I couldn’t find anything relating to firearms. Can anyone point me to the provision?
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Well they must have hidden the anti-gun provision pretty good, maybe with invisible ink, because it's nowhere in the bill.

That a side I hate the U.N. as well. I just think we need to get the facts straight before we all start complaining to our reps about something that's not in the bill.
 
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Okay, guys, where's the beef?

Can ANYONE post a relevant quote?

Yes, we all hate the U.N. and Globalists are evil, and they're coming to take us away, ha-ha!

Right about now I could use some factual evidence.

Can I get an amen?
 
Read the bill


link to the bill, and I'll provide some links to the Millenium Act.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:3:./temp/~c110EDpD4l::

Here is the link to the Millennium Act.

http://www.un.org/millennium/

I can't get any of the .pdf files off of the UN site to load, but they want to pay for these programs by having donor nations contribute .7% of their Gross National Product to the UN. For the US that would amount to around 845 million, according to Glen Beck. Right now we contribute .16% of our GNP.
 
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