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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by psychophipps, Feb 27, 2006.

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  1. psychophipps

    psychophipps Member

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    My friend has a Glock 17 that has seen some serious lovin'. It's barrel has been reamed out from having so much ammo through it and the magazine release doesn't always, y'know...release when you press it. Of course, he also just offered to sell it to me for $100.
    Now, a new barrel will run me about $95 and a new magazine release about $16 + s&h for each part. Not too shabby for an otherwise prefectly reliable weapon with a 10-round and pre-ban magazine. My main issue is that with a reamed out barrel, it shoots about two feet off-target at seven yards, and a bad magazine release; what "hidden issues" might I have to worry about if I were to pick this pistol up?

    Any long-term Glockers out there with advice?
    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  2. LeonCarr

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    Please define "reamed out barrel". In my experience to wear out the rifling in a Glock 17 would take SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND rounds fired through it. If it is shooting two feet off target at seven yards...wow. has a certified Glock armorer seen this gun? Sounds more like abuse than actual shooting to me.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  3. Desertscout

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    Unless there is a defect in that barrel, there is no way that it "reamed out". There must be other issues.
    What kind of mag release are you getting for $16. We charge $5 for them installed, stock or extended. We also do the oval extended for $25 installed. Are you getting some kind of aftermarket release?
     
  4. psychophipps

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    I was kind of worrying about that, myself. The "barrel", and I use the term very loosely here, has three thin spirals that are actually set into the barrel as it's "rifling". It is otherwise smooth as a baby's bottom. It seems to be an older model that Curtis purchased used himself. I'm basing this unfounded opinion on the low-powered magazine spring that was common back when Glocks first came out.
    Of course, it works flawlessly otherwise which is what makes it very tempting to an untrained idiot like myself. Feeds every time there is a round in the magazine. Locks open and closes with the slide release. Smooth shooting besides not being able to hit the green side of a red barn.

    Very frustrating...
    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  5. gudel

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    It sounds more like too much hillbillied-dremel through it. I doubt the barrel is worn out.
     
  6. Rockstar

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    Like the others, I seriously doubt that the barrel is "reamed out." What I suspect is lots of fouling from years of use with no proper barrel cleaning. I'd get some Sweet's and other bore cleaners and use a little elbow grease and see what happens.

    If the barrel cleaning doesn't work, then ship the pistol back to Glock. Your only expense will be the ship-to charges. They'll go through the pistol, including the magazines, replacing any parts that are out-of-spec. If the barrel's "shot out", which I doubt, they'll replace it free.
     
  7. glocker1911

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    When you say the magazine release doesn't when you push it, are you sure it needs a new release or is the mag sticking, binding in the gun. If the release actuall "pushs", it may not be your problem. I also agree with whats been said about the barrel. My worry would be what else has been "messed" with on this gun that you can't see.
     
  8. psychophipps

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    I really don't need a new pistol, however. I'm a college student with limited disposable income (I need to keep myself in .45 ammo for my P97DC, after all... ;) ) and I simply can't afford to send a pistol back to Glock and get a potential $300+ refurbishing bill. I was hoping that I could grab the pistol for next to nothing, get a new mag release and barrel and call it done.
    I'm not certain about the original owner but the current owner is a former Marine and friend of mine. He's a very meticulous person when it comes to his weapons (drill instructors are very good at instilling that) and has taken good care of it since he picked it up a few years ago. I'm pretty sure he ran the barrel through the wringer when it shot for fecal matter the first time.
    He actually just wants to get some money out of a pistol he doesn't really like, the action and trigger bother him, so he can pay for his H&K USP .40 Compact (as they have yet to make a decocker-only sub-compact). He'll just trade it in if he has to. Of course, how much can he get for a Glock 17 with a fubared barrel and a crap magazine release?

    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  9. TheEgg

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    Your description of the bbl. isn't clear to me.

    Are you sure you are not just seeing the normal polygonal rifling? This differs visually from normal rifling. There are no 'lands and grooves', as it were.
     
  10. Rockstar

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    psychophipps: How'd you get into college? :cool: Did you notice anything in my post about Glock's charging for the refurbishing? Let me put it in plain, easy-to-understand verbage. Glock will repair/refurbish your G17 forever, free, with your only expense being your shipping charges to Glock. Is that clear enough? They'll rebuild any mags that are worn out and replace those that can't be rebuilt. They don't care if you're the first or fiftieth owner.

    If you still don't understand, just say so, and I'll try to to do better.
     
  11. psychophipps

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    :eek: No way! That's freaking amazing!!!

    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
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    It certainly is Ollie! But the Glock folks have had very good service for their firearms.
     
  13. psychophipps

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    So would I call them for a gunsmith to send it to or do I just mail/fed ex/ups it to them direct-like once I have the firearm?

    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
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    I have a 1st generation G17 that the frame cracked on it, sent it back to Glock and they replaced the frame, upgraded the slide internals, put new sights on and touched up the slides finish. All for the grand total of $16.82, the cost of shipping and insurance to them. Just call them and let them know what is wrong with the gun and they will tell you what to do.
     
  15. Rockstar

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    You can go to either FedEx or UPS and ship the pistol with mags to Glock. Just include a note, explaining the problem with the mag release and your observations about the barrel, also asking them to rebuild the mags and replace any parts that need replacing. They'll ship that G17 back to you, with shipping on them.
     
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    I kind'a doubt very seriously that you (or anyone else for that matter)
    has ever worn out a G-17. Those things are like the engerzier bunny,
    they just seem too last, and last, and last~!
     
  17. psychophipps

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    Well, I'm picking it up on Saturday for a big, bad Benjamin. :) Since it's a private sale, I don't even have to register it with the state...

    US Bank, here I come! Woohoo! :evil: err...uhh... :uhoh:
    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  18. Tecolote

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    Send it to Glock and they'll refurbish it for free. The barrel looks smooth probably because of lead build up. You can remove it with JB bore compound. In the unlikely event that the barrel is worn Glock will probably replace it for free.
     
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    Maybe it's Chuck Taylor's Glock 17...
     
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    $100.00,,,, BUY IT!
    Even with issues the gun is worth that and once it is repaired i'm betting you will still have less in it than a used Glock from a gunshop sale.
     
  21. Rockstar

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    Psycho: You got a great deal! You'd have a great deal @ over twice that price. Definitely try some elbow grease and some of the solvents/techniques recommended in this thread on the barrel. When you send the pistol to Glock, they like for you to use "G.I." (for Glock Incorporated) on the package, so as not to attract undue attention.
     
  22. psychophipps

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    Just got the Glock 17 from my friend. Never met a man so recalcitrant about a man trying to give him $100. Not his fault due to schedules but I had a feeling that I had a limited time before he realised how much I was taking him for. ;)

    The barrel looks fine to me now that it's nice and clean except that the rifling is a lot less pronounced than that of the new '17' I checked out at the FLGS (Friendly Local Gun Store, in case you're wondering). I know you guys are claiming "impossible" on the idea of the barrel being shot out but it's clean now, the rifling looks pretty worn and there isn't any other reason I can see for it to shoot so poorly unless the barrel is warped somehow that I can't see. Heck, maybe it is warped.
    The rest looks good to go. Striker is working fine and it shot fine except for accuracy earlier today. Slide has a few worn spots in the finish but it seems good to go to my inexperienced eye. Serious emphasis on 'inexperienced'.

    I'll be calling Glock on Monday for the shipping info,
    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  23. Rockstar

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    Mark, I don't supposed that it's occurred to you that the accuracy problems might also be due to your "inexperienced" eye? :D Hint: To the "inexperienced" eye, a Glock barrel will appear to be shiney-clean, when it is, in fact, fouled. There are methods that have already been recommended to you for REALLY cleaning the barrel. Might want to try cleaning, prior to shipping to Glock; however, since you got SUCH a deal on that G17, $40-$50 in shipping costs shouldn't hurt you much. Glock will testfire the G17 for accuracy and closely inspect the barrel.

    IF you ship to Glock, be sure and send a detailed note about your observations regarding the barrel having been "shot out." Also include the magazines, as they will rebuild them free.
     
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    Excellent observation, actually. I'm not the most experienced person but the people who have also handled and cleaned the weapon prior to it throwing the rounds big-time are 1) the previous owner Curtis, a former Marine, 2) my friend Brude, a former Ranger (who dissed my crap shooting until he tried the weapon himself and it did the same for him) and 3) my friend DJ who has some serious gun barrel OCD. Curtis tried the same steps I did last night (multiple times) and told me, again, upon receipt, "It needs a new barrel."

    I ran some Barnes CR-10 through the barrel last night just before I posted. I followed the directions fully and even gave it a good extra dose or two with the soaked patch before I got to scrubbing with the nylon brush. Patches came out clean as a whistle after the second pass; before I even had a chance to use the brush. Brushed it with a soaked brush in three sets of ten times when the instructions said to do one set of ten times. Nothing else came out. Oiled it up, of course, and it's back in the pistol with some Golden Saber 147-grainers.

    I have no problem with my own lack of exerience but when three, much more exerienced, people have scrubbed the hell out of it before me... :scrutiny:
    Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
     
  25. Rockstar

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    Understood! The good news is that Glock will replace the barrel, free, if they concur with your friends' opinions. You'll have mismatched serial numbers, but I wouldn't be too concerned about that!
     
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