Glock 20 6" barrel for self defense too?

[jmr40]

You don't need an aftermarket barrel for even the hottest loads. DoubleTap ammo uses factory stock G-20's to test their hottest loads. I've been using their ammo, 200gr@ 1300 fps for a while in a stock barrel with no problems. That 1300 fps is actual chronographed with the factory 4.5" barrel by the way. A longer barrel for hunting wouldn't give you enough more velocity to matter. But in some places they require 6" to meet legal requirements. I'd not waste the money on an aftermarket barrel unless required to do so by law.

The only real problem with chamber support was with very early G22's in 40 S&W. Glock corrected that problem years ago. It has never been a problem with any other caliber Glock. At least no more so than with any other gun maker. They all leave a small section of unsupported chamber.

 

[Black Butte]

I will carry Glocks with 3.5 connectors because I can pass a lie detector test saying I feel it makes me more accurate, decreasing the chance of accidently (sic) shooting an innocent bystander.

Why stop there? Clearly, you're superior to any trained prosecuting attorney or the instrumentation they may choose to employ.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

If a 6" barreled revolver can be "defensive", then any Glock with a 6" barrel can be defensive, too.

 

[MightyTygart]

You don't need an aftermarket barrel for even the hottest loads. DoubleTap ammo uses factory stock G-20's to test their hottest loads. I've been using their ammo, 200gr@ 1300 fps for a while in a stock barrel with no problems. That 1300 fps is actual chronographed with the factory 4.5" barrel by the way. A longer barrel for hunting wouldn't give you enough more velocity to matter. But in some places they require 6" to meet legal requirements. I'd not waste the money on an aftermarket barrel unless required to do so by law.

The only real problem with chamber support was with very early G22's in 40 S&W. Glock corrected that problem years ago. It has never been a problem with any other caliber Glock. At least no more so than with any other gun maker. They all leave a small section of unsupported chamber.

jmr40 is right. If you want to take the chance of blowing up your gun, your hand, and putting pieces of metal into your face, then don't worry about needing full chamber support for "even the hottest loads".

Another poster previously mentioned bubbles in his recovered brass. It's also known as a glock smile. Take a look and see what causes that.

Another humorous fact is that you think Double Tap ammo is actually 1300fps and it was actually chronographed.

To the OP, I urge you to do some more research. Chamber support is something you should pay attention to when you start getting into high pressures, and velocities.

 

[ORHunter79]

I would require more proof to believe this statement. I'm gonna throw the BS flag on this one. Cocking the hammer? Come on. Just how the law works? Really? Next you're going to say that if you shoot someone in the back than it can't be self defense. I know that is not the case. In the time it takes to pull a trigger a person can turn. This has been proven in court.
Making a gun a more lethal weapon is a ridiculous notion. It can even be proven that it will only add about 75-100 FPS. Less than 10% more power to the original load.
Sorry but I call shenanigans.

Apologize it too me so long to respond, I was away on a business trip.

Cool, you can call shenanigans all you want. On one note, I agree it's absurd that something as cocking a hammer could show intent. On the flip side, the law is the law and a prosecutor will use any and all acts to try to prove intent to get a conviction, be it a modified handgun or just simply cocking the hammer.

If you ever find yourself in a trial, every action you took will be scrutinized, period.

I will not get into a law debate on this forum, as the OP questions was answered. I felt it a responsibility as a fellow gun owner and supporter of firearms to inform him of the possible outcomes of his decision.

Please do your research before you call someone's post ridiculous, especially if you don't know what your talking about.

I have posted a link to ONE example where cocking the hammer was ONE element the prosecution had to use to convict, not just a citizen, but a felon. His defense was, he didn't remember doing it. Read if you want. There there are plenty more, just do your research, I won't do it for you.

http://courts.mi.gov/supremecourt/Clerk/10-10/139209/139209-PAAMAmicus.pdf

Again, I felt obligated to answer this post. OP, sorry if this is way off topic, I hope you got the answer you were looking for.

Lastly, THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

If we all look hard enough, we can fine ONE EXAMPLE of every action, or non-action, for every self defense scenario we can think of. There are so many variables, case laws, judicial decisions, reversals, and suits that we could go crazy trying to worry about them, and spend the rest of our lives looking them up for our "possible" defense in the future. I do not know about the rest of you, but I try to just practice common sense, go out into the world with no malice on my mind, and with a winning mindset for the preservaton of myself AND others, if the need arises. I do not worry. I do practice tactics in my head, along with training myself to be the best shot I can be. I have been a cop, so I have a pretty good idea of when and when not to "shoot" another human being. I think that is all ANY of us are realistically caapable of doing. To try to do more borders on beating one's self up, unnecessarily.

 

[coolluke01]

Cool, you can call shenanigans all you want. On one note, I agree it's absurd that something as cocking a hammer could show intent. On the flip side, the law is the law and a prosecutor will use any and all acts to try to prove intent to get a conviction, be it a modified handgun or just simply cocking the hammer.

Sorry if offended with the calling of shenanigans.
I believe we agree for the most part. We are just talking about different points in the scenario. Im talking about before you shoot and you're talking about the after. Both are very important to understand.

When you say the "law is the law" the law does not state that cocking the hammer or tricking out a gun makes it a murder weapon. The law states very clearly what the terms of engagement are.
I think we will confuse things too much trying to understand all the ins and outs of what someone could say when we should be focused on what the law says.

When in trial you are right, every action will be scrutinized to see if you acted in a way that was within your rights as stated in the law.

In the case you reference the man was committing a crime. What he did and how he did it didn't prove that he committed a crime, it provided insight to the Judge and Jury so that they could charge the man properly. If it was an AD or ND it could be considered manslaughter. But he clearly did what was needed to make the gun fire and then pulled the trigger. I think that is what you will see in the details of cases. The details tell us a little bit about why we did what we did. The 3 holes in the BG are proof enough what has been done.

I have done a great deal of research on this topic. I have friends of mine that are lawyers and friends that are cops. I quoted the Chief of Police in a local town in my earlier post. If you read it. I have been in the law enforcement academy. I know the law as it pertains to SD and many other parts very well.

I think we can all agree that knowing the law is by far the best approach do keep our selves out of trouble with the law. Once the act is done it's too late to figure out how to stay out of jail.

 

[jackpinesavages]

Yes, you can certainly use a 6" for SD purposes, but as you the OP specify, practice the draw from concealment for proficiency.

I have aftermarket barrels from Jarvis, Bar Sto and KKM. The KKM is a 7" for the G24 and I love it. Great fun. Also a .400 CorBon for the same rig, from KKM. Incredible stuff. Stay away from LWD products if you will use this firearm for SD/HD purposes.

Have fun. My first 10mm pistol got me into re-loading and a new avenue of interest is being persued. Good stuff.

 

[ORHunter79]

I think we can all agree that knowing the law is by far the best approach do keep our selves out of trouble with the law. Once the act is done it's too late to figure out how to stay out of jail.

This I agree with completely. Have a Happy New Year.

 

[coolluke01]

May we have a safe and happy new year.