9mm Self Defense

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What is a good 9mm cartridge for self defense? The gun is a kel tec pf9 (3.1" barrel, 7+1 rounds), or a glock 17 I am looking for reliable, and effective ammunition (in that order) for self defense. I think I want something around 124 grains but I'm open to suggestions if you have something better (please tell me why it's better if it's more or less than ~124 grains)

P.S. I know I will have to test it in my gun. The question is what bullets to test.
 
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I like HST and Gold Dot for my defensive ammunition. I also have a preference for te recoil impulse I get from the 147gr ammunition. Doesn't really penetrate any deeper or expand all that much more. Just like the feel of it better.
 
I think it's the aim that will save you, not the type of round. Find a cheap HP that your gun likes eat every time and practice with it till you get deadly accurate, for example try the remington L9MM1. :)
 
I like the "Ranger T" and "Hornady critical defence" rounds for SD as they both expand well. But like said above it really makes no differnce what round you carry if you can't hit anything its more about shot placement than the type of round you carry.
 
nothing wrong with 124gr rounds,
but...
I too prefer the recoil of 147gr loads, when I had my PF9, I thought 147gr+P loads were easier to handle than standard pressure 115gr loads (WWB)

I like the HST's, there the fastest factory 147gr load I could find out there, the only one with a +P rating for that slug too.

I have had good luck with DoubleTap's 147's in the past, not sure if they still use the Gold Dot bullet though, I stopped buying them when I found the HST's

this is a cut and paste from another forum:
In a response to a question about which grain 9mm Ranger ammo to use in a short barreled pistol including 3.5" and 3", I got the following response from Winchester LE Ammo:
When we redesigned the Ranger T Series of ammunition we widened the velocity window under which the round would expand to allow for the slower velocities that shorter than standard barrels produce. What this means is that if you own a standard or sub compact pistol the round should have adequate expansion. In 9mm I would recommend the 147 grain bullet as it loses a lower velocity percentage than the faster lighter bullet in shorter than normal barrels. This is because the bullet has more dwell time in the bore and has a greater opportunity to burn the powder before the bullet exits the bore. Powder that is burned outside the bore does nothing for velocity. The lighter faster bullets generally have more powder to burn and since the lighter faster bullets have less time in the bore they are not efficient burners of powder in the shorter barrels.

We increased the velocity window under which the round would expand by increasing the size of the hollowpoint, tweaking the jacket thickness and the depth of the cuts on the inside of the jacket petal segments.

Sincerely,

Paul Nowak
Senior Technical Specialist
Winchester Law Enforcement Ammunition
 
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My list for acceptable carry ammo.
Speer Gold dots
Winchester T-series
Federal HST
Hornady CD depending on the gun since they use lighter bullets than most of the above listed ammos.
DPX solid copper loads if you can find them in a heavy enough load also.

Currently i use 230gr +P T-series in my 3.5" and 5" 1911's for ccw work.
And my MK9 Bug uses 124gr +P Gold dots in the short barrel version.

Im still in the hunt for a good 200gr +P load for my 3.5" 1911 as only Gold Dot makes that out of all the ammos i listed and for some reasons ive read a lot of bad reports on that load for feeding failures. But id test them if i got a chance as i don't believe everything on the net i read, Even the stuff i write myself.
 
I like Gold Dots and Rangers. Both in the 124gr (1st choice) or the 115gr (2nd choice). The 147's were popular for the wrong reason. They are intended for subsonic use in suppressed weapons NOT for their superior terminal performance. As Tomcat and Thompsoncustom both noted, it's all about putting the round in the right place.

John
 
The 147's were popular for the wrong reason. They are intended for subsonic use in suppressed weapons NOT for their superior terminal performance
true in the past, not anymore.
 
Best 9mm defensive round is the one that feeds 100% in your gun and you can control and place the bullets where you want them to go.
 
Exactly my point rellascout. So which ones feed reliably and are easy to control? Those are the ones I'm going to start buying and testing out for myself.
 
i like gold dots 124gr hp's. but i would not hesitate to use hst, golden saber, or hornady critical defense. but i would not use any ammo i have not tested in my carry gun, even if it ran good in one of my other handguns.
 
Exactly my point rellascout. So which ones feed reliably and are easy to control? Those are the ones I'm going to start buying and testing out for myself.

IMHO the answer is not universal. It varies from gun to gun and shooter to shooter.

I shoot a lot of Gold Dots 124 grain but that does not mean they will work for you. I also like Winchester +P+ Ranger/Talons but they are tough to find these days at a reasonable price.
 
Mention which gun & model you're using, and some can relate their experiences for you.

As rellascout said:
It varies from gun to gun and shooter to shooter.

In 124gr hollowpoint or flat point, my CZ doesn't like anthing over 1.10" oal.

EDIT TO ADD: Sorry sprice. "Another" senior moment! You did post the gun.
 
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I've been a fan of Speer Gold Dots forever...but...recently put them back in the box and loaded up with Hornady Critical Defense instead.
I used to use Rangers and SilverTips but no more. And the post in Federal HydraShocks always concerned me.
I think I read somewhere that the Gold Dots are the #1 round used in law enforcement so, I guess all those cops can't be wrong (can they)?
 
What is a good 9mm cartridge for self defense? The gun is a kel tec pf9 (3.1" barrel, 7+1 rounds), I am looking for reliable, and effective ammunition (in that order) for self defense. I think I want something around 124 grains but I'm open to suggestions if you have something better (please tell me why it's better if it's more or less than ~124 grains)
115grain Federal Classic 'Hi-Shok' JHP.
 
The only way to find out what's reliable and accurate in your gun is to shoot it through your gun. Just hit your local store and buy one box each of everything they have, and try it all out. Whatever turns out to be accurate and reliable, try to get more of that same lot, or that same brand if that lot is unavailable.
 
9mm JHP

You best beat would be to gather up some different brands of JHP and see which ones give you the best reliability and accuracy. Generally any American or major manufacturers JHPs will do there job. You part in it is to ensure the rounds hit the target. If you do that and have reliable JHPs your fine. There are some that will penetrate and expand in ballistics gel, more than others.

Make sure when you are testing the ammo that you test all of the magazines you plan to have in your rotation.
 
The op mentioned that he was using a PF-9. According to the instructions that came with the gun, the gun is not designed to have a steady diet of +P ammo.
 
The op mentioned that he was using a PF-9. According to the instructions that came with the gun, the gun is not designed to have a steady diet of +P ammo.
meh, Its a cheap gun. The company states the gun should last somewhere around 6,000 rounds (maybe more)
If you wear something out on it before then due to too much +P ammo, Kel Tec will probably replace it for free, they have very generous customer service.
 
I'm a big fan of Winchester Ranger in all of my guns. The nickel-plated cases help the rounds feed flawlessly everytime, and ballistics tests always show positive expansion and weight retention.
 
Would be very wise to know what load HP's your pistol will safely handle. I don't think my Norinco Tokerev was meant for +P HP rounds, so I've been hesitant to put any thought it. It sure likes the regular old 115 gr. ball ammo. If anyone knows if it safe to shoot +P ammo in a TOK let me know. Thanks
JT
 
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