Glock 23 Vs XD40 Service "Snappiness"

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I shot a XD40 yesterday and it seemed to jump quite abit and I've been interested in the Glock 23, which one snaps more?

 

[Mike J]

Of course the answer to what you are asking is subjective. Each person may experience it a little differently. I own an XD-40 & have shot my neighbors G-23. The XD has a higher bore axis than the Glock. To me the XD has more muzzle flip but less feeling of impact on my hand. The Glock has more of a straight back pushing into my hand feeling but less muzzle flip. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
I would suggest shooting a G-23 before buying to see how it feels to you. You might prefer a different caliber or a different gun & renting is cheaper than buying & then deciding you don't like something.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I would definatly like to shoot the glock first before I make my choice. For the most part you have answered my question, thanks.

Can't you convert a G23 to a 9mm?

 

[Zerodefect]

Yes you can convert. You'll need a conversion barrel, ejector, extractor, and magazines.

The g23 is decent if you stick to 180gn bullets. I tried 165 grain Blazers and I was bleeding on my second mag. Big old blood blister on my trigger finger and my palm was rubbed open by the bottom of the grip.

With 180gn Federal she shoots fine. Maybe those Blazers were loaded a bit too hot?

 

[REAPER4206969]

Blazers are loaded hotter than the hinges of hell.

 

[Kingofthehill]

I have both of those. The feel identical to me. I also have a Glock 23c (Compensated) and it is substantially less then both of them.

JOe

 

[Manco]

The g23 is decent if you stick to 180gn bullets. I tried 165 grain Blazers and I was bleeding on my second mag. Big old blood blister on my trigger finger and my palm was rubbed open by the bottom of the grip.

Whoa! I know that everybody's different, but I just don't feel that much difference between 165 grain and 180 grain .40 S&W loads. The former has a bigger blast and usually a bit more recoil, but that's it. Either the rounds you fired were loaded hotter than normal or the G23 didn't fit your hand quite well enough (like getting blisters on your feet from ill-fitting shoes)--the punishment most likely occurs wherever your hand is not firmly welded to the grip.

FIVETWOSEVEN, perhaps you should consider the Smith & Wesson M&P40 (another safe-action, striker-fired pistol). I can shoot any .40 S&W load all day long with it, although like every other gun out there, no one size fits all. It has three backstrap/palm swell inserts to adjust for hand size and to some degree shape, and in my own fairly extensive trials last year shot .40 S&W the softest for its weight and frame size, at least in my hands. Give it a try if you can and see how you like it.

Yes you can convert. You'll need a conversion barrel, ejector, extractor, and magazines.

I didn't realize it took so much. The M&P40 can be converted to 9mm with just a conversion barrel and 9mm magazines. The 9mm version of the pistol uses the same ejector and extractor, as far as I'm aware.

Blazers are loaded hotter than the hinges of hell.

I only see Blazer listed at 1100 fps for the 165 grain load--not bad for training ammo, but nothing out of the ordinary, and I've used hotter (although I normally practice with 180 grain loads). Maybe it was a defective batch, in which case Zerodefect was fortunate to have avoided a KABOOM.

 

[41magsnub]

Whoa! I know that everybody's different, but I just don't feel that much difference between 165 grain and 180 grain .40 S&W loads.

Same here, out of my M&P 40 (similar gun to both in the OP) I definitely cannot tell the difference. I use the 180s just because I can.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Its harsh to shoot a G23?

 

[Kingofthehill]

Its harsh to shoot a G23?

non compensated model does have a little whip to it. There is a good bit of slide weight thats whipping back on you.

Can't you convert a G23 to a 9mm?

YES!... I tend to buy the .40 caliber model of X brand because you can typically throw in a 9mm conversion barrel and you can't go the other way around.

get the Glock 23, buy a 9mm conversion barrel for $100 and a 9mm mag for $20. now you have a Glock 23 AND and Glock 19.

JOe

 

[noob_shooter]

Blazers are loaded hotter than the hinges of hell.

seriously? i've shot blazers numerous times along with winchester in my G27 and both felt the same.. i will have to carefully examine that next time..

 

[REAPER4206969]

I only see Blazer listed at 1100 fps for the 165 grain load--not bad for training ammo,

Is that the Blazer brass?

 

[noob_shooter]

Its harsh to shoot a G23?

nah.. don't be afraid of recoil. It's not even as bad as what others have said about the .40SW.. Try a G27 if you think the G23 is bad.. hehe..

 

[REAPER4206969]

seriously?

At least compared to other training/plinking ammo.

 

[NG VI]

I actually like my 27 better than my 23, for a few reasons. Including recoil characteristics, I guess I just really like the way the smaller grip socks into my palm, where the 23 requires a little bit more adjustment.

 

[Manco]

Its harsh to shoot a G23?

Only if it doesn't fit your hand well enough, I think. If it moves a lot in one's hand when shooting, then that's when it can do some damage (although I'm shocked at what happened to Zerodefect ). Glocks fit my hand fine if I use a different hand position than I use for other pistols, but it doesn't fit some people's hands at all. I think that the M&P's grip is more comfortable and secure for a greater number and proportion of people, although I'm sure that no gun fits everybody perfectly; the material used in the M&P's grip area is also softer and won't punish your hand as much.

Is that the Blazer brass?

No, it's regular Blazer (aluminum case) from the company's website:

http://www.blazer-ammo.com/blazer_chart.aspx

Blazer Brass is slightly slower for some reason, but not much:

http://www.blazer-ammo.com/blazer_brass.aspx

These loads don't seem particularly hot to me.

At least compared to other training/plinking ammo.

Some of Speer's Lawman loads are a bit hotter, and American Eagle (Federal) and even Winchester White Box (USA) aren't that far behind (some American Eagle loads are actually hotter).

 

[Bovice]

I think that's the first time someone mentioned "hotter loads" and WWB in the same context.

The way people discuss winchester white box, you'd think they believed they could catch the bullet in their teeth.

Getting blood blisters? Wow, that's either really really really hot ammo or you just have girly hands!

 

[Manco]

I think that's the first time someone mentioned "hotter loads" and WWB in the same context.

I said that even WWB--which is definitely not known as hot ammo--is not that far behind, not that it was hotter. Although I haven't shot much Blazer personally, it doesn't feel particularly hot to me, either, unlike some defensive ammo.

The way people discuss winchester white box, you'd think they believed they could catch the bullet in their teeth.

Well, I suppose that if one stood far enough away one could (with precisely the right trajectory), which goes for every load. Not that I endorse experimentation of this nature.

Getting blood blisters? Wow, that's either really really really hot ammo or you just have girly hands!

It can happen whenever a gun is battering one's hand by being able to move relative to it. In this case, it was Zerodefect's trigger finger that got battered the most, presumably by the trigger guard, which seems to indicate that the gun moved independently of the hand. If that happened to me repeatedly, I'd stop shooting until I could figure out how to hold the gun more securely. .40 S&W isn't THAT powerful--my 4'11" 67-year-old mother recently shot 100 rounds of it during a single session with my M&P40, some of it hot defensive ammo, and her hands weren't injured or stressed in any way, so something strange has got to be going on here. Looking at its grip, I can totally see how a G23 can rub one's palm raw, but only if it moves every time. If all else fails, then squeeze the gun in a death-grip if you have to, but the gun should not move against your hand.