glock hater
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I hated glocks because they are up there among the ugliest guns ever and they are sterotyped as the gun of choice for thugs worldwide. BUT.... I grew up and realized that functionality and reliability are paramount to aesthetics. I am now considering purchasing a glock for carry.
Black Adder LXX
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I like Glocks, but not enough to buy one. I used to hate them because I had only handled the full sized ones. They just don't fit my hand. I tried the compact and baby, though and liked them. I went with the 'carbon copy from another company' because it was more comfortable and was fully ambidextrous.
IMO half of the glock hatred is due to some of the rabid fanboys being abnoxious...
IMO half of the glock hatred is due to some of the rabid fanboys being abnoxious...
sm
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I don't hate Glocks. In fact I respect them for being durable, reliable pistols. I wouldn't own one, however, because they are an ergonomic disaster in my hand. I do, however, own two SW M&Ps which you probably consider to be a copy. They are better balanced and fit my hand very well, especially with the small back strap. So, that is one reason some people won't own a Glock but will buy a "copy."
Big Boomer
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when you say "carbon copy" what are the manufacturers that you are referring to?
Put me on the "don't like glock's list" but I did buy an XD and love it. Now if you compare my XD to my 1911's I'll tell you my XD is a brick.
My XD if you consider that as a "carbon copy" of the glock you are waaaay off. The grips is completely different, as well as the sight axis. Grip safety and now thumb safety. I believe the XD's to be more reliable and then there is the not KABOOMing thing
I still have my XD but my 1911's get 99% of the carry time.
Put me on the "don't like glock's list" but I did buy an XD and love it. Now if you compare my XD to my 1911's I'll tell you my XD is a brick.
My XD if you consider that as a "carbon copy" of the glock you are waaaay off. The grips is completely different, as well as the sight axis. Grip safety and now thumb safety. I believe the XD's to be more reliable and then there is the not KABOOMing thing
I still have my XD but my 1911's get 99% of the carry time.
Big Boomer
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haven't had any issues with mine and let's not start a battle with all the glock's from many, many, oh and many more leo agencies that have changed weapons because of failure.
Might as well say that 1911's are horrible to due to their mags. I'll keep my XD thanks. You can have your KABOOM stick
Might as well say that 1911's are horrible to due to their mags. I'll keep my XD thanks. You can have your KABOOM stick
Odd, most of my automatics, including my 1911's and my "carbon-copy", function just as reliably as my two Glocks. In fact, out of my current seven centerfire pistols, only two have ever malfunctioned with factory ammo. One was my Glock 34.
I bought my XD45 because the large frame Glocks were not designed with my hand in mind. My G19 fits me well enough, I've adapted to the G34, but the G20 and G21 are no-go's for me.
I think the Glocks aren't quite as ugly as my XD45. But my XD45 is an excellent shooter, so I just don't care.
Why are Glock fanatics so insistent that other makes are inherently unreliable? That's what I want to know.
Dksimon
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I like glocks because I want to buy ONE hand gun to suit my needs for the next few years while im in college. I want to but a single gun that is going to be absolutely reliable in whatever circumstances.
skinewmexico
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I think people only hate Glocks because of the attitudes of some of the Glock owners. It's pretty easy to see.
Reply To Big Boomer...
Which is why the XD 10 mm is so successful! Yes?!
Yup, they punched out a .45 GAP XD model right away, so hungry were they for a piece of what Glock had; but still no 10 mm... How come? Glock offers two highly successful 10 mm models.
I've fired two XD's, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, and liked them well enough--they're nice guns. But no sale! I like the low center of gravity in the hand, that Glock offers. It's like driving a Subaru, if you like it, you'll want one.
Our three Glocks (G17, G19 & G21) have all been exemplary of accuracy, reliability, and durability. My last purchase, the G17, has past 11,000 rounds without one hiccup! If results matter, Glocks represent an excellent value!
I seem to have worked the bugs out of my G21 10 mm conversion. The last two range trips have been flawless. I favor the Double Tap 1608 fps, 767 ft/lbs, 135 grain Noslers! All it took was a KKM Conversion Barrel, 22 lb. recoil spring, and magazines. Over 2000-rounds YTD, and no Kabooms.
I don't think of myself as a Glock Fan Boy. I'm honestly impressed, is all.
To summarize the landscape, both guns, XD & Glock, interview well--but Glock's got the fat resume'.
--Ray
I believe the XD's to be more reliable and then there is the not KABOOMing thing
I'll keep my XD thanks. You can have your KABOOM stick
Which is why the XD 10 mm is so successful! Yes?!
Yup, they punched out a .45 GAP XD model right away, so hungry were they for a piece of what Glock had; but still no 10 mm... How come? Glock offers two highly successful 10 mm models.
I've fired two XD's, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, and liked them well enough--they're nice guns. But no sale! I like the low center of gravity in the hand, that Glock offers. It's like driving a Subaru, if you like it, you'll want one.
Our three Glocks (G17, G19 & G21) have all been exemplary of accuracy, reliability, and durability. My last purchase, the G17, has past 11,000 rounds without one hiccup! If results matter, Glocks represent an excellent value!
I seem to have worked the bugs out of my G21 10 mm conversion. The last two range trips have been flawless. I favor the Double Tap 1608 fps, 767 ft/lbs, 135 grain Noslers! All it took was a KKM Conversion Barrel, 22 lb. recoil spring, and magazines. Over 2000-rounds YTD, and no Kabooms.
I don't think of myself as a Glock Fan Boy. I'm honestly impressed, is all.
To summarize the landscape, both guns, XD & Glock, interview well--but Glock's got the fat resume'.
--Ray
Feud
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jgo296 said:
It's a good thing that Glocks were invented, had anyone realized that they'd been making automatics for 80 years without any of them actually working there would have been a lot of egg on a lot of faces!
Northalius
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To hate an object solely based upon those that're obnoxious, is idiotic in and of itself on so many levels, I cannot even comprehend how anyone can have such a thought process. I mean, I hope no one is serious when they say they hate Glocks because of Glock owners' behavior? I mean... seriously?
So if gun owners in general were morons that were loud and obnoxious, and you just hated their behavior... that mean you're just gonna not own a gun now? Sound dumb? It is! Oh, but it's the same thing when talking about hating Glocks because of their owners! Dumb! Very dumb! :banghead:
I can't believe people hate Glocks for that, and now I hear "because they're ugly" ? Wow. All of a sudden, people are clueless as to what these guns are made for? Ever hear of: To save your life? They're not hotrod cars that look cool and used for fun, people. Guns are used as tools to save your life. If it's reliable, durable, has awesome aftermarket and replacement parts availability, 10mm models, sub compact, compact, standard, competition and long 6" barreled models, etc. And yet can be pink with purple stripes, has a bunch of obnoxious fanboy followers owning it? Well, I'm still carrying it!
What? Huh? Don't like Glocks because "Fiddy Sent" uses them? Well, Two Quarters also drives a car; you gonna give up driving now, too? He also eats food; you gonna stop eating now? He also breathes air; are you going to stop breathing now?
Since when do we stop using or doing good things when criminals use and do them, too? If it's not illegal, and it's something good, then use / do it! My goodness. The Nazi's loved using 9mm ammo... so you're not going to use 9mm ammo because it was used by bad people in history? LOL! Wow... what a way to think!
If the grip is that bad for you, by the way, you can simply heat it up and push the "hump" in as far as you need it to go! It's that simple. Don't like the finger grooves on the newer gen. models? Simply file them down with a sander. SIMPLE! These are very easy "fixes" if these are real problems for you. Or, if you're looking for a Glock .45 ACP, then try the Glock 21SF (standard size) and Glock 30SF (sub compact to compact size, depending on which mag base you have on it). The "SF" stands for "Short Frame." This "SF" platform is a "grip reduction" from the factory, so the grip is shorter from front to back, compared to the original Glock model grips. Even then, you can still heat the SF models' grip up and push it in further, if you want to.
So if gun owners in general were morons that were loud and obnoxious, and you just hated their behavior... that mean you're just gonna not own a gun now?
Sound dumb? It is! Oh, but it's the same thing when talking about hating Glocks because of their owners! Dumb! Very dumb! :banghead: I can't believe people hate Glocks for that, and now I hear "because they're ugly" ? Wow. All of a sudden, people are clueless as to what these guns are made for? Ever hear of: To save your life? They're not hotrod cars that look cool and used for fun, people. Guns are used as tools to save your life. If it's reliable, durable, has awesome aftermarket and replacement parts availability, 10mm models, sub compact, compact, standard, competition and long 6" barreled models, etc. And yet can be pink with purple stripes, has a bunch of obnoxious fanboy followers owning it? Well, I'm still carrying it!
What? Huh? Don't like Glocks because "Fiddy Sent" uses them? Well, Two Quarters also drives a car; you gonna give up driving now, too? He also eats food; you gonna stop eating now? He also breathes air; are you going to stop breathing now?
Since when do we stop using or doing good things when criminals use and do them, too? If it's not illegal, and it's something good, then use / do it! My goodness. The Nazi's loved using 9mm ammo... so you're not going to use 9mm ammo because it was used by bad people in history? LOL! Wow... what a way to think!
If the grip is that bad for you, by the way, you can simply heat it up and push the "hump" in as far as you need it to go! It's that simple. Don't like the finger grooves on the newer gen. models? Simply file them down with a sander. SIMPLE! These are very easy "fixes" if these are real problems for you. Or, if you're looking for a Glock .45 ACP, then try the Glock 21SF (standard size) and Glock 30SF (sub compact to compact size, depending on which mag base you have on it). The "SF" stands for "Short Frame." This "SF" platform is a "grip reduction" from the factory, so the grip is shorter from front to back, compared to the original Glock model grips. Even then, you can still heat the SF models' grip up and push it in further, if you want to.
Feud
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Someone forgot to tell Mr. Browning when he made the 1911!
Seriously though, while I agree to an extent with your argument, I have one minor caveat. When you have two pistols that are virtually identical in reliability, then why not buy the one that you find most visually attractive?
Northalius
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That's where we differ in opinion. Yes, there are some Glocks that're lemons, and there're some XD / Sigs / M&Ps that're lemons too; but, it all comes down to which one someone thinks is more reliable if it's not a "lemon" out of the box. I happen to believe Glocks are the most reliable (in general) when NIB. Yes, that's opinion, and it's mainly based upon what I've seen myself, and what I've read over the years since Glock was first shipped to the U.S., including some guy shooting up to 200,000+ rounds through his 20+ year old Glock 17, and still going strong; on top of all the torture tests done with Glocks, including being dropped out of a helicopter from 400 feet and not going off until they picked it up and pulled the trigger, to the widely seen Glock 21 torture test known online (search Google for it), etc. etc.
I'd like to see all of these pistol brands be taken by a totally unbiased person or company, and tortured side by side; do this 10-20 times if needed, just so as to prove one of the guns that failed in the first test wasn't simply because "it might've been a lemon!." And so on. I'd love to see the overal results, and thus would make me feel all the more better with knowing which to REALLY have my life depend upon!
Other reasons I pick Glock is for their sheer simplicity; they're made up of few parts internally, and can be easily taken down and field stripped to clean VERY quickly. Their aftermarket parts are extremely easy to find, including the replacement parts; cheap and plentiful!
Lack of a pointless (imo) grip safety, and lack of any other manual safety, is what I like about (simple) Glocks, too. Glock has two 10mm models, as well... especially one being of sub compact / compact size (Glock 29) is what I love about 'em, as well. There're many reasons put together why I like Glock in the end.
haha the funniest thing of all is i think glock...besides 1911's are the best looking firearms...all of those who think mp's look good are crazy to me...they look cheap and cheese with the wavy lines and all the interchagnable pieces....the glock looks like a real beast of a firearm...which it is...a tool to be used not a pretty lil paperweight
oo and btw i do like the HK USP series to....but the XD's are the ugliest biggest glock knockoff around...no offense to XD'owns...im just sorry you guys got tricked
oo and btw i do like the HK USP series to....but the XD's are the ugliest biggest glock knockoff around...no offense to XD'owns...im just sorry you guys got tricked
1911 guy
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Hoo Boy!
Another thread from fanboys. I'll tell you why I don't like the Glock pistol.
Grip angle. Simply dreadfull. Designed by eurotrash who foisted it on the rest of the world.
Trigger is too spongy, but that's with all striker fired guns. That's why I have no striker fired guns.
Two more things. Did I mention the grip angle and trigger? And how much they SUCK?
Alright, they function and usually well. Some people really like them. Good, go buy another. Just stop whining to the rest of of about your favorite piece of Austrian plastic and telling me it's the acme of handgun developement. If you've never seen a Glock (or any other kind of handgun) choke, you've never seriously shot it. Yes, that's a blanket statement, yes, I mean it. If your gun has never choked, you either hardly shoot or you're a liar. I think it was 1911Tuner that has a standing challenge to you Glock-o-philes. Go pester him for a while.
Sorry, Tuner.
Another thread from fanboys. I'll tell you why I don't like the Glock pistol.
Grip angle. Simply dreadfull. Designed by eurotrash who foisted it on the rest of the world.
Trigger is too spongy, but that's with all striker fired guns. That's why I have no striker fired guns.
Two more things. Did I mention the grip angle and trigger? And how much they SUCK?
Alright, they function and usually well. Some people really like them. Good, go buy another. Just stop whining to the rest of of about your favorite piece of Austrian plastic and telling me it's the acme of handgun developement. If you've never seen a Glock (or any other kind of handgun) choke, you've never seriously shot it. Yes, that's a blanket statement, yes, I mean it. If your gun has never choked, you either hardly shoot or you're a liar. I think it was 1911Tuner that has a standing challenge to you Glock-o-philes. Go pester him for a while.
Sorry, Tuner.
Glock is only at the top in the law enforcement market, where their users don't usually have a choice and are required to carry them.
On the U.S. civilian market, where people make their own choice, the XD has been outselling Glock since at least 2006. Incredible considering the XD didn't come out until about 2000, while the Glock has been around since the 80's.
The gun shop I frequent sells more firearms than any other dealer in a two state area. The owner tells me the XD's are selling like hotcakes, while he's not too excited about his Glock sales the last couple years or so.
Quite a few dealers at the gun shows I frequent say the same thing. The XD is hot and the Glock fair to middlin'.
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