Glock practice pistols for law enforcement only?
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rcmodel
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I don't know.
But your picture needs to be resized in order for me to read the question on my ipad.
It's hemungus big!!
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But your picture needs to be resized in order for me to read the question on my ipad.
It's hemungus big!!
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Peakbagger46
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Not sure. The blue one is simunition and fires soap-like rounds using 9mm brass and real primers/powder. Rifled barrel and quite accurate. The "soap bullets" can draw blood if they strike exposed skin.
I've never seen the "practice" and "reset" models.
I've never seen the "practice" and "reset" models.
WestKentucky
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Same for the larger .380s. It fuels my dislike for the company.
Bobson
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Which company do you prefer that offers comparable training/practice/cutaway versions of their pistols?
WestKentucky
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Didnt say I did, but for a company to actually produce a gun and arbitrarily decide to not market it to civilians is enough grounds to fuel the fire. To me that says that they are just like the gun grabbers who think civilians should only have cap guns and butter knives because we civilians just aren't capable of wielding such a weapon albeit identical to say a 19 except for barrel and magazine.
Cutaways, trainers, etc are cool and are great tools for teaching folks, but again, civilians don't need to know? Nah, I guess I'm good with my 8 shot ring cap revolver or my Nerf shooter. I can figgered them toys out, a full blown firearm is just too dangerous and scary for somebody not employed by the got to ever touch.
Cutaways, trainers, etc are cool and are great tools for teaching folks, but again, civilians don't need to know? Nah, I guess I'm good with my 8 shot ring cap revolver or my Nerf shooter. I can figgered them toys out, a full blown firearm is just too dangerous and scary for somebody not employed by the got to ever touch.
kyhunter
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Hello fellow Kentuckian. In reference to the large frame .380's it's not Glock themselves that's the problems. It's the Gun Control Act of 1968 IIRC. It has to do with the "points" system that was applied to imported guns. Since the large frame .380's are a different action type and don't use a locked breach but are straight blowback (fun fact) they lose a large number of points and are "banned" for import.
The Glock 19 if I remember correctly at one point and may still be shipped from Austria with adjustable sights installed just to meet the points criteria. Then punched out here and fixed with the blade u notch style sight. I suppose Glock doesn't see a market for a full size .380 blowback that's going to recoil more than a 9mm with a locked breech anyway. Surprise
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Hello fellow Kentuckian. In reference to the large frame .380's it's not Glock themselves that's the problems. It's the Gun Control Act of 1968 IIRC. It has to do with the "points" system that was applied to imported guns. Since the large frame .380's are a different action type and don't use a locked breach but are straight blowback (fun fact) they lose a large number of points and are "banned" for import.
The Glock 19 if I remember correctly at one point and may still be shipped from Austria with adjustable sights installed just to meet the points criteria. Then punched out here and fixed with the blade u notch style sight. I suppose Glock doesn't see a market for a full size .380 blowback that's going to recoil more than a 9mm with a locked breech anyway. Surprise
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I think it is less about "civilians are not capable" and more about these are still dangerous. I have trained with these before. While training with them you have to wear protective masks, body armor, and thick clothes. And they still sting when you get hit at a reasonable distance. I have left welts and blood blisters on people hitting them with these rounds.
There is not a "civilian" place for these to be used. As an outsider they look just like actual firearms. You have to use them in a controlled environment. A gun range is not going to take on the liability of making an area for civilians to use these on one another cause it just takes one ding dong to forget and use their actual gun with their buddy trying to be high speed etc. versus military and law enforcement groups have designated training areas and the necessary equipment for these.
I would love to have one to train with and a few cases of sim rounds. But not having a safe place and proper place to use it, kinda makes it less logical for me to purchase let alone use.
There is not a "civilian" place for these to be used. As an outsider they look just like actual firearms. You have to use them in a controlled environment. A gun range is not going to take on the liability of making an area for civilians to use these on one another cause it just takes one ding dong to forget and use their actual gun with their buddy trying to be high speed etc. versus military and law enforcement groups have designated training areas and the necessary equipment for these.
I would love to have one to train with and a few cases of sim rounds. But not having a safe place and proper place to use it, kinda makes it less logical for me to purchase let alone use.
take the tinfoil hats off......im guessing this has more to do with marketing and profit than it does with any "civilians arent equal" conspiracy.
what is the "civilian" market for these?.......honestly, probably not very significant......im guessing not enough profit to set up distribution to shops and marketing for them.
what is the "LEO" market for these?.....probably pretty good....especially among larger depts.....and seeing as LEO can order directly from Glock, im guessing thats why they have access to the "training" guns.
im willing to bet if you went to your local Glock dealer, they would be able to order you one no problem if you really wanted one.
what is the "civilian" market for these?.......honestly, probably not very significant......im guessing not enough profit to set up distribution to shops and marketing for them.
what is the "LEO" market for these?.....probably pretty good....especially among larger depts.....and seeing as LEO can order directly from Glock, im guessing thats why they have access to the "training" guns.
im willing to bet if you went to your local Glock dealer, they would be able to order you one no problem if you really wanted one.
Schwing
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This is my belief as well. While not exactly the same thing, I remember a long time ago, seeing some Beretta 92 variants that were only available for law enforcement. It really bothered me so I did some digging and made some calls. It turns out that some manufacturers offer certain items to LE agencies only as a way to get their foot in the door.
ClickClickD'oh
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If you want a Glock 17R, just get a SIRT 110. That way you already have the laser built in.
Only if you qualify for Blue Label purchases.
Glock isn't the only company that has one catalog for LEO and one for everyone else. Just try to get FN to sell an non-LEO night sights for a Five-Seven. Good luck.
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Only if you qualify for Blue Label purchases.
Glock isn't the only company that has one catalog for LEO and one for everyone else. Just try to get FN to sell an non-LEO night sights for a Five-Seven. Good luck.
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not that I need any extra fuel
Once upon a time, after shooting a 1911 from dawn dusk for four days, at a facility on the outskirts of Paulin, AZ, I was given a Gsome
thing for shooting simunition in a shoot house scenario. It worked and I was able to solve the problem, but it felt like a 2x4. And not like hickory, more like balsa or basswood.Gblocks aren't unique, corporate wise, in that they would pawn their first born for a slice of the gubmint market pie, or to create that impression of exclusivity, for favor from those that control tax payer purse strings. It's harder to think of exceptions than examples, Savage and Barrett in the former laudable category.
god, i swear, you people just look for reasons to complain.....
How many of you would run out and buy a G25 if they werent LEO only?....im guessing none of you......unless you only want it because you know you cant have it.
why would you buy a gun the size of a G19, that shoots a weaker and more expensive round?
again, i feel this falls more under, not enough demand on the civilian market to make it worth while....rather than some grand conspiracy.....
youre grown men, stop complaining.
How many of you would run out and buy a G25 if they werent LEO only?....im guessing none of you......unless you only want it because you know you cant have it.
why would you buy a gun the size of a G19, that shoots a weaker and more expensive round?
again, i feel this falls more under, not enough demand on the civilian market to make it worth while....rather than some grand conspiracy.....
youre grown men, stop complaining.
Theohazard
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No, this was already explained to you in post #7. Glock doesn't import the larger .380s because it would be illegal if they did. The larger .380s are banned from import because their blowback operation means they don't meet the ridiculous import law point system.stoky said:
kyhunter
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Not to mention a blowback .380 recoils more than a locked breach 9mm does.
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I haven't seen Walther mentioned once so far. No German manufacturer has been mentioned.
I don't see a market for these. They are dangerous enough to make it not worthwhile to sell to civilians. I personally try not to buy from companies that don't serve the civilian market. Colt and HK are at the top of the list. I understand the reasoning behind Glock's Blue Label program and they don't ignore the civilian market like others do.
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I've seen a Glock 25 or 28 for sale once. Once they are in the country by means of LE, they can be legal for regular people to own. The law is ridiculous.
It shouldn't.
But maybe the corporate Glocknoids feel, or assume, that non-LEO U.S. citizens don't "train" with their Glocks - as in taking active SD-scenario firearms courses (which as we know is hugely false, because such training is widespread among private CCW holders) - so from Glock's viewpoint, why should "training" pistols be sold to non-LEO?
Just trying to articulate a possible reason, not saying that's the answer.
"But maybe the corporate Glocknoids feel, or assume, that non-LEO U.S. citizens don't "train" with their Glocks - as in taking active SD-scenario firearms courses (which as we know is hugely false) - so why should Glock "training" pistols be sold to non-LEO? "
This is because those companies that do provide that kind of training and have the proper equipment and facility for this training already have these available for you to borrow during said instruction. You don't need to bring one, and even if you did they would not let you use it more than likely to ensure the safety of everyone.
The only reason to have the training guns that shoot sim rounds as a civilian is to shoot targets just like you do with your standard rounds. Only sim rounds are about 5 times more expensive.
I am all for we should be allowed to have what they have, but there is a point where you have to admit you have no need for it. I would LOVE to have a M203 of my own like I carried all the years I served, but lets be real here, I have no real reason for one any longer.
This is because those companies that do provide that kind of training and have the proper equipment and facility for this training already have these available for you to borrow during said instruction. You don't need to bring one, and even if you did they would not let you use it more than likely to ensure the safety of everyone.
The only reason to have the training guns that shoot sim rounds as a civilian is to shoot targets just like you do with your standard rounds. Only sim rounds are about 5 times more expensive.
I am all for we should be allowed to have what they have, but there is a point where you have to admit you have no need for it. I would LOVE to have a M203 of my own like I carried all the years I served, but lets be real here, I have no real reason for one any longer.
DaisyCutter
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So much of this thread is absurd.
The LE only practice Glocks would probably cost an individual as much as a regular Glock, if not more. Sim rounds DO cost more than regular ammo. In fact, for training my agency restricts us to 2-3 rounds each in the Sim guns.
So, where are all the people lining up to pay full ticket, or more, for a gun to practice with?
Nowhere, that's where.
I don't even think individual officers can buy the practice guns. I've never had another officer show me his personal practice Glock. I think Glock "sells" these practice guns to LE training institutions at a loss, with the expectation of landing a contract for several hundred duty guns.
Sorry folks, but this is the best I can do:
I'll sell anyone a blue or orange non-firing practice Glock for $800, right now. Or you can build you own by filling the chamber & barrel with JB Weld and painting the frame orange with Krylon. Please post pics of the final product.
BTW, *practice* implies non-lethal... Yet a Sim gun could mess a fella up. So, if under the guidance of a LEO firearms instructor, Dan puts a practice Glock in his mouth, pulls the trigger and dies, the agency gets sued. If Glock sells a practice gun directly to Dan, and then Dan puts it in his mouth, pulls the trigger and dies, Glock gets sued.
Glock doesn't want to be sued, and Dan's are everywhere on both sides of the badge.
Rejoice in the fact you can buy a REAL Glock.
The LE only practice Glocks would probably cost an individual as much as a regular Glock, if not more. Sim rounds DO cost more than regular ammo. In fact, for training my agency restricts us to 2-3 rounds each in the Sim guns.
So, where are all the people lining up to pay full ticket, or more, for a gun to practice with?
Nowhere, that's where.
I don't even think individual officers can buy the practice guns. I've never had another officer show me his personal practice Glock. I think Glock "sells" these practice guns to LE training institutions at a loss, with the expectation of landing a contract for several hundred duty guns.
Sorry folks, but this is the best I can do:
I'll sell anyone a blue or orange non-firing practice Glock for $800, right now. Or you can build you own by filling the chamber & barrel with JB Weld and painting the frame orange with Krylon. Please post pics of the final product.
BTW, *practice* implies non-lethal... Yet a Sim gun could mess a fella up. So, if under the guidance of a LEO firearms instructor, Dan puts a practice Glock in his mouth, pulls the trigger and dies, the agency gets sued. If Glock sells a practice gun directly to Dan, and then Dan puts it in his mouth, pulls the trigger and dies, Glock gets sued.
Glock doesn't want to be sued, and Dan's are everywhere on both sides of the badge.
Rejoice in the fact you can buy a REAL Glock.
JN01
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The safety concerns about the simunitions version would not apply to the other practice versions as they can't fire ammunition of any kind.
I have a SIRT pistol and like it for what it is, but a aftermarket laser module equipped G17R with an actual Glock trigger (but resetting, making racking the slide unnecessary) Glock weight and feel would be even better.
I have a SIRT pistol and like it for what it is, but a aftermarket laser module equipped G17R with an actual Glock trigger (but resetting, making racking the slide unnecessary) Glock weight and feel would be even better.
MICHAEL T
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Glock company is snobs . They only sell to civilians at high prices to make up for their loss selling to Police depts.
ApacheCoTodd
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Great - Another thread twisted to a soap-box for people who feel they have a right...
So what they don't sell an item outside of military, L.E./Governmental channels?
To behave as though one is being "victimized" by this is ridiculous.
I'll bet that if one truly had a reason to purchase these and approached Glock, they'd find joy.
For them to waste time and resources on every joker comin' down the pike without qualifications which they deem (and quite fairly keep to themselves) necessary to enter the market for training items would be silly.
Glock has always been close-hold on factory authorized training and service and it keeps the company's reputation sound and reliable.
To control the material items supporting this, only makes sense.
Todd.
So what they don't sell an item outside of military, L.E./Governmental channels?
To behave as though one is being "victimized" by this is ridiculous.
I'll bet that if one truly had a reason to purchase these and approached Glock, they'd find joy.
For them to waste time and resources on every joker comin' down the pike without qualifications which they deem (and quite fairly keep to themselves) necessary to enter the market for training items would be silly.
Glock has always been close-hold on factory authorized training and service and it keeps the company's reputation sound and reliable.
To control the material items supporting this, only makes sense.
Todd.
umm...thats pretty much every manufacturer that has military/ LEO contracts.......
however, glocks arent exactly a "high priced" gun......
actually....no....no its not.
your average gun owner does not "train"..........hell, your average CCW holder does not "train".........
go to any range, and spend the day there, and ask everyone you see if they have ever taken a non-mandatory training class.......im going to guess maybe 1 out of 50 will have actually attended a class.
the MAJORITY of people who carry a gun have never taken a single class.........
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