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Gods And Generals
By John Zmirak
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 21, 2003


Why do men fight for their country? What occasions justify the use of force, the unleashing of all the dangerous passions that arise in time of war, the disruption of civil society, the vast waste of lives and treasure that follow in its wake, and the massive political changes that result with the peace? As our nation exercises its muscles of self-government, and debates the wisdom and prudence of removing a brutal dictator, Saddam Hussein, from power for his reckless flouting of the peace agreement which ended the first Gulf War, it’s especially fitting that Hollywood is releasing a film that looks at such questions soberly. Most refreshingly, this movie arises from a perspective of profound, reflective patriotism.

Gods & Generals opens nationally today, and it promises to be a blockbuster hit. More importantly, it’s a deeply honest piece of film-making. It follows the outbreak and first decisive battles of the American Civil War. Written with the aid of prominent historians North and South, black and white, it was directed with meticulous realism and lyrical skill by the maker of the epic, Gettysburg (1994), Ronald F. Maxwell. (Maxwell is a friend and sometime collaborator; I once climbed in his car and had to remove Edmund Burke’s Letters from the passenger seat—just your typical Hollywood film-maker….)

What’s amazing about the film is its truthfulness and historical sensibility: Unlike too many Hollywood productions, it doesn’t import into the past the prejudices and values of the present, or demonize the losing side. Instead, Gods & Generals depicts with equal sensitivity the motivations that drove men of each region to enlist and fight in our country’s bloodiest war—which claimed the lives of 600,000 Americans. (By way of comparison, we lost fewer than 60,000 dead in Vietnam.)

The acting is uniformly superb: Robert Duvall plays General Robert E. Lee with the grave dignity that made Lee a figure of honor even among his enemies. Jeff Daniels portrays Col. Joshua Chamberlain, the humane and idealistic Union officer who would later save the day for the North at Gettysburg, and in his quiet fervor evokes all that was noblest in the motives of the men who volunteered to fight to preserve the Union. His gradual awakening to the profound evil of slavery mirrors accurately the shift in Northern opinion over the course of the war, as it evolved into a struggle that explicitly centered on slavery and race relations. The character who dominates the film, Thomas “Stonewall†Jackson, is played by Stephen Lang as a study in paradoxes—a fiery warrior, implacable on the battlefield, whose tenderness and devout Christian faith emerge when the guns are silent, and he cradles his infant daughter in his arms, or talks intimately with God as he watches the sun climb the sky over the Shenandoah mountains.

What the film makes clear is that, at least at the war’s outbreak, few men believed they were fighting about slavery. It’s true that the political leaders of the South saw the election of Lincoln as spelling the death-knell of their region’s economic system, which was predicated on slave labor. They also noted, with horror, that Lincoln became president without a single Southern electoral vote—which suggested that their region was now politically impotent, soon to become a colony of the North.

Most Southerners didn’t own slaves, nor did Southern men enlist to fight for the preservation of that wicked institution—any more than Northern men volunteered to fight for sweatshops, cheap immigrant labor, or the liquidation of the Indians (although this is what multiculturalists would like us to believe.) It’s easy to imagine that one’s opponents are fighting for the very worst of causes, and to pretend that the enemy is unambiguously evil. (One thing that makes The Lord of the Rings so satisfying is that the dark forces are purely evil—a race of monsters crafted by a Dark Lord to serve his explicitly malicious purposes.) It may even help battlefield morale.

But it usually isn’t true. The American South was not Mordor, nor the Confederate soldiers a legion of slavering Orcs. Nor were Union soldiers bent primarily on conquest, pillage, and the subjugation of their Southern neighbors—as Confederate nationalists pretended. Instead, the men of two regions, which had for 85 years been united in a single, loosely-knit federation, treasured loyalties to different entities. As their letters, abundantly preserved, make clear, the men of the South believed that they owed their patriotism to their state, to Virginia or Louisiana or Texas. For them this was the locus of sovereignty. They believed that the United States was more like a loose alliance of governments—like NATO or the European Union—than a centrally governed nation-state. If you wish to understand Confederate nationalism, imagine Irishmen or Spaniards or Swedes rebelling against a too-intrusive European Union—which may well happen someday. It was Lincoln’s decision to use force to prevent secession by several Southern states that inspired other states of the region to call home their senators, peel away their state militias, and embark on the deadly gamble of forming the Confederacy.

Conversely, the men of the North believed that the Constitution was a binding, irrevocable contract which had dissolved the sovereignty of states, and transferred ultimate authority to Washington—and that the leaders of Southern states were engaged in open treason and rebellion.

Each interpretation of the American Founding had its merits. Historians have speculated that the U.S. Supreme Court might well have sided with the seceding states, had they pursued a peaceful legal challenge.

Tragically, they didn’t. The counsels of reason and peace were swallowed by an upsurge of 19th century romantic nationalism, and men of the South attempted to break the founding compact of America. After an epic four year struggle, they were utterly defeated, their cause thrown on the dustbin of history, and their motives forgotten or distorted. The symbols under which they fought—the Confederate flag for instance—are now abused by hate groups, and banned from historical displays depicting the war. Schoolchildren are taught to believe that half of America was once subject to a spell of almost pure evil, which could only be purged in blood. (It is only a short step, which some Afro-centrists have taken, to condemn the nation as a whole.) If we are to understand our nation’s history, and foster a real patriotic love for the place, it’s essential that real information replace the myths, and empathy arise for all those involved in this tragic struggle—the soldier, the civilian, the slave, and the statesman alike. This exciting and moving film goes a long way towards fostering all those valuable things. Go see it, and tell your friends.
 
A movie reviewer disagrees. BIG TIME

I just read the review in this morning's Richmond(VA) Times-Dispatch. The grand opening was last night.

Panned it. Bad, wooden, lousy, who cares, zero character development, bad fake beards (one general looked like he had a dead muskrat on his chin), Lee shows up at the beginning and then disappears for an hour, the three battles all look the same but at least something is happening on the screen, etc.

I just spent a minute looking for the review on-line but didn't find it. When I finish my coffee maybe I'll go dig the paper out of the recycling bin and post some more tidbits. Nah, I'm going to make the rounds of the gun shops and then go to the range.

I'm glad I didn't pay a $100 for a ticket to the show and a few cost $1000 including some extras - I don't care how many ex-governors and important people were there to rub elbows with.

John
 
Panned it. Bad, wooden, lousy, who cares, zero character development, bad fake beards (one general looked like he had a dead muskrat on his chin), Lee shows up at the beginning and then disappears for an hour, the three battles all look the same but at least something is happening on the screen, etc.

Yeah.

Did he like the guns? :)
 
I've been looking forward to the opening of this film since part of it was filmed in the town where I live (Harpers Ferry). One of my sons is even in it as an extra. The review in the paper this morning wasn't very complimentary. I still plan to see it and judge for myself, but it's going to be hard to match Gettysburg.
 
Slave states siding with North

Was any mention given to the 4 slave states that sided with the North. Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland.
 
Still can't find the review on-line.

Excerpts from the review by Daniel Neman:

...like history writ in cement.

...devoid of human soul.

These aren't people - they are ideals. Or rather, they are all the same ideal.

...it was written and directed by Ron Maxwell, a film-maker unencumbered by nuance. Maxwell has the storytelling sensibilities of a tire iron. His idea of emotion is to have the actors pause dramatically in the middle of every sentence.

His idea of character development - well, he doesn't have an idea of character development.

His idea of resolute determination is to have them repeat the last few words they say, the last few words they say.

The script could have been written by Boy Scouts of America founder Daniel Beard.

Surprisingly, we don't often find ourselves bored throughout this [nearly 4-hour] length, even when Maxwell uses the same shots over and over again.

...the film is bad in such enjoyably campy ways: stiff acting, long-winded speeches, over-ernestness, lack of focus, heavy-handed direction, muskrat beards.

...it might be the most self-conscious movie ever made.

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I will see it eventually - on tv I suppose. I hope it turns out to be at least as half as entertaining as the review.

John
 
I've got tickets for tonight. $15 for my wife and I. It's like going to see a reenactment. My first question for the reviewers Would be whether or not they are interested in the Civil War. That has just a bit of a bearing on whether they find the movie tolerable or not. Robert E. Lee statues on Boulevard do not a city of Civil War buffs make.
 
I guess if you want the big screen experience you need to pay. Otherwise, this willl probably hit TNT in 6-12 months depending on how well it does at the box office. I've heard some bad reviews also. Senator (KKK) Byrd who is in it makes me want to barf as does the thought of lining Ted Turner's pockets.
 
GODS AND GENERALS / *1/2 (PG-13)

February 21, 2003



Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson: Stephen Lang
Gen. Robert E. Lee: Robert Duvall
Lt. Col. Joshua Chamberlain: Jeff Daniels
Sgt. Thomas Chamberlain: C. Thomas Howell
Sgt. "Buster" Kilrain: Kevin Conway
Gen. John Bell Hood: Patrick Gorman
Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock: Brian Mallon


Warner Bros. Pictures presents a film written and directed by Ronald F. Maxwell. Based on the book by Jeffrey M. Shaara. Running time: 220 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for sustained battle sequences).


BY ROGER EBERT



Here is a Civil War movie that Trent Lott might enjoy. Less enlightened than "Gone With the Wind," obsessed with military strategy, impartial between South and North, religiously devout, it waits 70 minutes before introducing the first of its two speaking roles for African Americans; "Stonewall" Jackson assures his black cook that the South will free him, and the cook looks cautiously optimistic. If World War II were handled this way, there'd be hell to pay.

The movie is essentially about brave men on both sides who fought and died so that ... well, so that they could fight and die. They are led by generals of blinding brilliance and nobility, although one Northern general makes a stupid error and the movie shows hundreds of his men being slaughtered at great length as the result of it.

The Northerners, one Southerner explains, are mostly Republican profiteers who can go home to their businesses and families if they're voted out of office after the conflict, while the Southerners are fighting for their homes. Slavery is not the issue, in this view, because it would have withered away anyway, although a liberal professor from Maine (Jeff Daniels) makes a speech explaining it is wrong. So we get that cleared up right there, or for sure at Strom Thurmond's birthday party.

The conflict is handled with solemnity worthy of a memorial service. The music, when it is not funereal, sounds like the band playing during the commencement exercises at a sad university. Countless extras line up, march forward and shoot at each other. They die like flies. That part is accurate, although the stench, the blood and the cries of pain are tastefully held to the PG-13 standard. What we know about the war from the photographs of Mathew Brady, the poems of Walt Whitman and the documentaries of Ken Burns is not duplicated here.

Oh, it is a competently made film. Civil War buffs may love it. Every group of fighting men is identified by subtitles, to such a degree that I wondered, fleetingly, if they were being played by Civil War Re-enactment hobbyists who would want to nudge their friends when their group appeared on the screen. Much is made of the film's total and obsessive historical accuracy; the costumes, flags, battle plans and ordnance are all doubtless flawless, although there could have been no Sgt. "Buster" Kilrain in the 20th Maine, for the unavoidable reason that "Buster" was never used as a name until Buster Keaton used it.

The actors do what they can, although you can sense them winding up to deliver pithy quotations. Robert Duvall, playing Gen. Robert E. Lee, learns of Jackson's battlefield amputation and reflects sadly, "He has lost his left arm, and I have lost my right." His eyes almost twinkle as he envisions that one ending up in Bartlett's. Stephen Lang, playing Jackson, has a deathbed scene so wordy, as he issues commands to imaginary subordinates and then prepares himself to cross over the river, that he seems to be stalling. Except for Lee, a nonbeliever, both sides trust in God, just like at the Super Bowl.

Donzaleigh Abernathy plays the other African-American speaking role, that of a maid named Martha who attempts to jump the gun on Reconstruction by staying behind when her white employers evacuate and telling the arriving Union troops it is her own house. Later, when they commandeer it as a hospital, she looks a little resentful. This episode, like many others, is kept so resolutely at the cameo level that we realize material of such scope and breadth can be shoehorned into 3-1/2 hours only by sacrificing depth.

"Gods and Generals" is the kind of movie beloved by people who never go to the movies, because they are primarily interested in something else--the Civil War, for example--and think historical accuracy is a virtue instead of an attribute. The film plays like a special issue of American Heritage. Ted Turner is one of its prime movers and gives himself an instantly recognizable cameo appearance. Since sneak previews must already have informed him that his sudden appearance draws a laugh, apparently he can live with that.

Note: The same director, Ron Maxwell, made the much superior "Gettysburg" (1993), and at the end informs us that the third title in the trilogy will be "The Last Full Measure." Another line from the same source may serve as a warning: "The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here."








Copyright © Chicago Sun-Times Inc.


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At least Ebert doesn't pretend to be objective.



"Gods and Generals" is the kind of movie beloved by people who never go to the movies, because they are primarily interested in something else--the Civil War, for example--and think historical accuracy is a virtue instead of an attribute.


I guess this explains why Oliver Stone is such a good filmmaker; he doesn't sweat it. :rolleyes:
 
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Here's a hint for you: most movie reviewers are flaming liberals!!! They panned the movie because it shows southerners in a sympathetic light, shows that the people of that time believed in God and that the people back then believed in right and wrong.

Check out the review by Michael Medved (a conservative reviewer) on www.michaelmedved.com. He loved the movie.
 
I'm familiar w/ Medved and his leanings.

I still wish that "At the Movies" was still around.

I preferred Medved and Jeffery Lyons over Siskel & Ebert.
 
If this is the same guy that made "Gettysburg", I would find it hard to believe that it was really all that one sided. The thing I like about "Gettysburg" was that it showed a lot of different points of view. There guys from the North who believed they were fighting to get rid of slavery. There were also guys from the North who didn't care one way or the other about slavery but were fighting to preseve the Union. Guys from the South fighting to preserve state's rights. It did not appear to be onesided to me.
obsessed with military strategy,
Imagine a war movie obsessed with military strategy :rolleyes:
impartial between South and North, religiously devout,
Can't have impartiality can we? Nor mention that during that time era people were more relgiously devout.

They are led by generals of blinding brilliance and nobility, although one Northern general makes a stupid error and the movie shows hundreds of his men being slaughtered at great length as the result of it.
That is what happens when officers make stupid errors in battle. Should we ignore that reality or just not show it?
The conflict is handled with solemnity worthy of a memorial service.
He's right. The bloodiest war in American history should be more festive. :rolleyes:
Much is made of the film's total and obsessive historical accuracy; the costumes, flags, battle plans and ordnance are all doubtless flawless
Don't they know that all history must be rewritten so that it ends the way you want it too and not the way it really did? I mean what would the Kennedy movies be without a good conspiracy? :rolleyes:
"Gods and Generals" is the kind of movie beloved by people who never go to the movies, because they are primarily interested in something else--the Civil War, for example--and think historical accuracy is a virtue instead of an attribute
Is that supposed to be a slam on the movie? Saying that it is not the drivel we are used to? :banghead:
I give up. I haven't seen the movie yet, and it may not be good, but it can't be for the reasons given here.
 
Is that supposed to be a slam on the movie? Saying that it is not the drivel we are used to?


A good film should speak to the emotions. Feeling is all that counts. Accuracy is too "cold." Realism too "harsh." Portray not that that was, but that that should have been. :rolleyes:

Like I said before, I'm starting to understand why these guys love Oliver Stone. Aside from the names of the characters and general timeframe, there isn't much in his movies that impinges upon reality.
 
Lee's statue is on Monument Avenue at Allen Ave., not on Boulevard.

Jackson's is at Boulevard and Monument.

Stuart's is at Lombardy and Monument.

Just a FWIW.

John...Did you know Grant's wife owned slaves during the war?

P.S. - It's still a heck of a review. I don't care if he didn't even see the movie, it's still a real piece of work.
 
Lee was a non-believer? I don't think so.

For example, refer to the end of the next to the last paragraph of General Order #9, written at the end of the war.

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General Order
No 9

After four years of arduous service, marked by unsurpassed courage and fortitude, the Army of Northern Virginia has been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources.

I need not tell the brave survivors of so many hard fought battles who have remained steadfast to the last, that I have consented to this result from no distrust of them, But feeling that valor and devotion could accomplish nothing that could compensate for the loss that would have attended the continuance of the contest, I determined to avoid the useless sacrifice of those whose past services have endeared them to their countrymen.

By the terms of the agreement, Officers and men can return to their homes and remain until exchanged. You will take with you the satisfaction that proceeds from the consciousness of duty faithfully performed and I earnestly pray that a merciful God will extend to you His blessing and protection.

With an unceasing admiration of your constancy and devotion to your country, and a grateful remembrance of your kind and generous consideration of myself, I bid you all an affectionate farewell.

R E Lee
Genl

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The Onion gave it the same kind of review--only people who care about historical accuracy and like information could like this movie. In my mind, that's a recommendation.
 
I think the problem with the movie was that it was no good.

Whining about the doctrinaire leftists, or whatever, bashing it misses the point. Sure, there are probalby individually stupid reviews of the movie out there. But most of those same doctrinaire leftists gave good reviews to "Gettysburg," a movie with the same virtues of ballance and historical accuracy attributed to "Gods and Generals." Everyone is beating on Ebert's review, which I agree does a poor job of articulating why the movie is no good. But he is also the same guy that gave "Gettysburg" 3/4 stars. His comment on that film was:

Maxwell deserves credit for not hedging his bets. This is a film that Civil War buffs will find indispensable, even if others might find it interminable. I began watching with comparative indifference, and slowly got caught up in the majestic advance of the enterprise; by the end, I had a completely new idea of the reality of war in the 19th century, when battles still consisted largely of men engaging each other in hand-to-hand combat. And I understood the Civil War in a more immediate way than ever before.

Side note Ebert also gave 4/4 stars to that soft-and-squishy paragon of liberal film making, "Black Hawk Down." ;)

An unwatchable movie is an unwatchable movie, no matter how noble its intent or accurate in many of its particulars it is.
 
Much Better Than Gettysburgh

Saw Gods and Generals yesterday, great movie. Lang did a great job (oscar maybe?) Best movie I've seen since Saving Private Ryan.
 
Regarding the letter by Zmirak, gotta agree with his historical analysis. When you start reading the letters, journals and diaries of the Northern soldiers and how they felt about the slaves, you quickly learn many of them fought to preserve the Union. Most Johnnies didn't own slaves and thought they were fighting to preserve the states' rights (and the lifestyle - miserable though many may be) and the freedom of the South.
 
When you start reading the letters, journals and diaries of the Northern soldiers and how they felt about the slaves, you quickly learn many of them fought to preserve the Union.
History based on fact?!? How un-PC...despite the paragon's record, of course. :rolleyes:

Most Johnnies didn't own slaves and thought they were fighting to preserve the states' rights (and the lifestyle - miserable though many may be) and the freedom of the South.
Must you insist on injecting the truth into this discussion?

For shame...
 
Lee's statue is on Monument Avenue at Allen Ave., not on Boulevard.
Ahhh brainfart on my part! At least I know where the statues are for Jackson and Lee in my hometown. :D
WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS AS TO THE NATURE OF THE MOVIE
As an edit to my previous post-the positive attitude about the movie, and criticism of the reviewer are rescinded. The author of the review was right, the movie was a real stinker due to bad acting on the part of nearly everyone but Duval, bad beards and bad choices of closeups on the reenactors. Some closeups-such as those at Chancellorsville, were well done, with lots of skinny fellows that looked the part of soldiers in the era. Too many closeups were done with the um, more "ample" waistlines of the older reenactors in prominent view. For more critique on that, read the excellent book "Confederates in the Attic".
The special effects were very low budget, and were not worthy of the story being told. Had this movie been released in 1980, it's special effects wouldn't have been bad. The scenes of rural VA,MD and WV were beautiful, but the matted backgrounds and computer animation were horrible. The fighting scenes were lacking in the gusto found in movies such as Braveheart. Reenactors don't usually try to hurt each other, so I can understand their reluctance to go "full bore".
The steady stream of rifled muskets and the volley fire was fun to watch, but nothing that I won't see at Gettysburg in 4-5 months.
Worst complaints? NO BATTLE OF ANTIETAM! NO SEVEN DAY'S BATTLES!
grumble,grumble :cuss:
 
Times-Dispatch review

FWIW Daniel Neman is the worst kind of movie reviewer -- the kind who is more interested in his own prose than in giving a fair review. He pans almost everything he reviews as a thinly veiled excuse to amuse himself with second rate bon mots and college-newspaper level sarcasm. I'd put more stock in a ouija board's review of this movie.
 
A decent job done with a movie that is bound to get nitpicked. Maxwell's work for visual historical accuracy is commendable. His character development for most was a joke, it's obvious he wanted to zero in on Jackson. I liked seeing that they actually filmed in Lexington at the Jackson house. It's a very watchable movie unless you've spent much time in Harper's Ferry and you realize that Wartime Fredricksburg looks an awful lot like Harper's Ferry. In addition to knowing every street corner rather well I've fished and fallen over a lot of those rocks in the river scenes. Most won't notice.
Some actors ruin themselves by playing memorable roles, I half expected Jeff Daniels to lead a charge on his "Dumb & Dumber minibike. Kinda like I can't seperate Tom Hanks from Gump in my head. "Oh Christ, somebody let Forrest in space!"
 
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