Got Burned Today...

[aegagner]

Picked up a Model 94 Compact in .357 (? didn't say "Trapper" on the barrel) used at the LGS. Had some ugly Ramline furniture on it, so I thought I was getting a deal.. have an old 94 Ranger with nice wood that I was going to swap out.

Anywho, got her home, put a couple rounds down range, noticed some feed issues but nothing major. Actually thought it was due to the cheap Fiocchi FMJTC bullets.. and then the dreaded under carrier jam.

I've become quite educated about this issue after spending the past few hours researching on the web. In all the used guns I have picked up over the years, this is my first "someone else's problem". What I get for an impulse buy I guess...

Just figured I would share on a gun forum. My wife just doesn't seem to care

 

[cammogunner]

Man that sucks sorry to hear it..but the sad fact is I dont think anyones wife cares about any of our dear gun problems lol.but seriously I hope you get it working right again.

 

[Plastikosmd]

did the same thing and had same issue.

fix was pretty simple for me, just brazed the little nib that holds the rounds back and file shaped to fit, has been working well for years

 

[nipprdog]

Picked up a Model 94 Compact in .357 (? didn't say "Trapper" on the barrel)

Have the same rifle. Mine doesn't say Trapper either.



Hope you get it running. Fwiw, these rifles are extremely rare. I've been offered more than twice what I paid for it.

 

[bannockburn]

nipprdog

Nice set-up with your Model 94 Compact. Looking for something like that for a companion carbine for my Ruger Blackhawk .357.

 

[Coogs.]

Been there done that. Have two sons, I got a Win M67 boys rifle when I was seven, so I had to have another. Found one at a gun show, honest wear, good wood, bright bore, good rifling. Now the boys rifle is a little scarce, so the price tag then, about 1990 or so, was $200.00. Got to shooting it, failure to eject. Thought it may be a little dirty, which it was, and which covered up the brazed and ream chamber. Great wall hanger though. Coogs.

 

[aegagner]

Thanks folks...

Yeah, I hope I can get her running to. There is a fair amount of info on the web about the cause of the issue and related fixes. Hoping that is an option in this case.

Shame, nice little rifle.. figured it would end up in a scabbard on my ATV/Snowmobile when I'm in the woods, checking sap lines, etc... about the perfect size.

 

[kBob]

Coogs,

The M67 .22 single shot bolt action has no ejector, only an extractor. Ejection is by the user tilting the rifle.

Perhaps you meant failure to extract?

The extractor is part of the sear portion of the trigger mechanism, when the bolt comes all the way back without the trigger pulled it pushes the cartridge out from the bottom edge of the rim.

Perhaps there is another Winchester Model 67 I am unaware of?

-kBob

 

[jmr40]

The 94 was designed for longer rifle rounds. Having problems with pistol caliber rounds in them is very common. The 92 is meant for pistol rounds. Marlin had the same problem when the tried to make the 336 function with pistol calibers and brought back the Marlin 1894 which is designed for them.

 

[aegagner]

Well, here she is in the birch furniture from the Ranger I had in the safe; looks great, but just like stupid, pretty is as pretty does.

 

[BWB]

For what it's worth, and only in the interest of getting it right, the word "furniture" when applied to firearms does NOT refer to wooden parts, stocks, or grips.
It applies to metal parts such as trigger guards which are not part of "lock, stock,and barrel".
Not interested in singling out anyone. This misuse has become endemic in these forums and we should do better.

 

[Liberty1776]

BWB - thanks for that info. I did not know that - from the way it's used now, I thought "furniture" referred only to the stock parts... Now I know more than I did yesterday!

AEgagner - that is a sharp looking little rifle..

 

[newfalguy101]

For what it's worth, and only in the interest of getting it right, the word "furniture" when applied to firearms does NOT refer to wooden parts, stocks, or grips.
It applies to metal parts such as trigger guards which are not part of "lock, stock,and barrel".
Not interested in singling out anyone. This misuse has become endemic in these forums and we should do better.

Interesting, I have never heard that before.....

 

[CapnMac]

English is funny that way. In days of old, as stated above, the gun maker furnished, e.g. provided, items beyond lock stock and barrel, So, such items are the "furnishings."

This is similar to how, in Europe, "custom," as in "tailor-made" is referred to as "bespoke." This is nothing but a bit of semi-archaic English used in the sense of "spoken for (already)."

 

[aegagner]

Never heard of that either... in fact, there is a whole section of Brownell's website called "Furniture Sets" that sells, you guessed it, stocks and forends. Not saying that Brownell's is the go-to for a demonstration of proper English language, but the usage of the term in that manner seems to go beyond the THR forums.

In fact, Oxford has this to say about "furniture":

The mountings of a rifle:
"The gun is fitted with wooden furniture."

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/furniture

Not interested in a English debate on my post about a malfunctioning rifle, but some folks can't help themselves.

 

[Lord Teapot]

For what it's worth, and only in the interest of getting it right, the word "furniture" when applied to firearms does NOT refer to wooden parts, stocks, or grips.
It applies to metal parts such as trigger guards which are not part of "lock, stock,and barrel".
Not interested in singling out anyone. This misuse has become endemic in these forums and we should do better.

well, that may be true, but when someone says furniture most think of those parts. for example, every 'ak' ad under the sun with wood stock/handguard calls them wood furniture. the definition of words change overtime, i prefer to use words people understand, rather than calling a garbage man a sanitation engineer.

 

[HOOfan_1]

Nevermind, No reason to help the thread wander further

 

[Ibmikey]

Enough bickering about the "birch furniture" on the rifle shown in the photo and back to the OP's originnal problem.....come to think of it what is the original difficulty?

 

[aegagner]

Well the rifle is on it's way to the gunsmith, and I just signed up for an online remedial English course, so I think all bases are covered.

Thanks folks.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Well the rifle is on it's way to the gunsmith, and I just signed up for an online remedial English course, so I think all bases are covered.

You're a good sport friend.

Let us know how it performs when you get it back.

 

[Normandy]

Another FWIW:
I have a Win 94 "saddle ring carbine" and/or "trapper" (short 94) in .45 Colt. I suffered the same problem the first two trips to the range. My "fix" was that I now VERY deliberately swing the lever fully forward and then back. Short stroking, even a little bit, will release a round below the lifter. Twice taking the rifle apart to get the round out of there was all the encouragement I needed to start LONG-STROKING the lever.
Pay very close attention next time you're out with the Winchester 94, and see if this can be of any help.

 

[sandy4570]

So what is the proper way to fix this problem ? May be someone kindly post pictures of repairs/ modification for reference. I have one in .357 but no problem so far .

 

[Coogs.]

Kbob, your right, wrong choice of words, thats all, you knew what I meant anyways, Thanks for the correction. Kinda reminds me of the distinction between your rifle and your gun........ Coogs.

 

[aegagner]

Sandy,

I will post back when I hear what the fix is in my case. You might check this link to get a better understanding of the issue:

http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2010/09/winchester-94-under-carrier-jam.html

 

[aegagner]

So I got it back this week; cost me $60 and all I heard was "It was a timing issue...".

Works great, no repeat of the previous issue. The LGS sent it to his guy, his guy only told him it was a timing issue. Not sure what that means... but it works now, so that's great.

So, there we go.

Thanks!