Got freaked out a little today....

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Well today I was in a local gas station that I frequent quiet often. I was standing there at the register gabbing with the lady ringing me up and a guy that I hadn't seen in a while comes from behind me and suprises me by play punching at my back. Now keep in mind im still pretty green when it comes to carrying concealed in public so im a little paranoid about being made. What freaked me out was I was completely taken off guard to start with but the first "play punch" that hit me was right above my gun. So without seeing anyone come up to me and all of a sudden feeling a hand that close to my gun, the first thing that went through my mind was, "Somebody is going for my gun!!". I sling my arm around to knock his away and my hand goes straight for my hip. Luckily I realized what had happened before I reach under my shirt, but the whole event made me really nervous. I don't think anyone realized what startled me so bad but, I was very startled.

Anyone else had anything like that happen?
 
A few years ago I was on duty with my Sgt. on Halloween doing a walk-through of a local watering hole that was having a huge deck party. Generally, we wouldn't do this, but we were requested by the owner this evening just to show a presence and keep things on the DL. Well, needless to say, everyone except for me and Sarge was absolutely tanked and whooping it up. The crowd was VERY heavy (over capacity of the permit, I'm sure) so I worked my way through while hilting my Sig with the palm of my right hand, essentially covering the entire top of it and holding it "down" in the holster. It's a good Safariland holster with level 2 retention, so it was just an added measure of comfort.....and for good reason. TWICE I was approached from behind and told "AWESOME COSTUME MAN!!" while people were groping at my duty belt, sidearm, pepper spray etc. Needless to say I was a little touchy about it, but the guys ACTUALLY believed it was just a halloween costume and not a real uniform. I got a bit aggressive with them and shoved them away from me, and rightly so!! They were very apologetic once they found out we were actually the police :rolleyes: Lesson learned.....don't try to work your way through the crowd unless you really have to. You'd have to understand the layout of the place to know that this was nearly impossible, and in hindsight, a very bad idea. Never again........
 
That incident should serve as an object lesson for you. The guy was able to come up behind you and make physical contact with you, and you were unaware. Being aware of your surroundings at all times is a hard thing to do, I struggle with it myself, but try to improve.
 
"...little paranoid about being made..." You're legal or you ain't.
"...was completely taken off guard to start with...the whole event made me really nervous..." You need more training.
 
I got tackle-hugged by a good friend of mine once, with her wrist hitting right on the butt of my Sig. She knew instantly what it was, and what had happened, but when another friend asked why she yelled out "Ow!" she merely said she hit her hand on the chair. :p
 
"...little paranoid about being made..." You're legal or you ain't.
"...was completely taken off guard to start with...the whole event made me really nervous..." You need more training.

Yes I am legal, but just started carrying about 4 months ago, so I still am new to it. I have been around guns, hunted, owned several guns all my life. In public though it is a new experience for me to be armed.

I agree I need more training, what would you guys suggest? Is there training that helps with SA?
 
Anyone else had anything like that happen?

I was in church one day and the pastor was praying for us. He put his hand on my small of back/right side waist for a second and it landed right on my 1911. I felt him quickly lift his hand and place it on my shoulder. He didn't even stop speaking when this happened. He just acted like it was no big deal. We never had a conversation about it later.
 
I think you have every right to be a little freaked out. The comment about needing more training is a lame one. You just need more experience carrying.
 
I guess just subconsciously knowing my gun is there makes my right side a little more "tender" if you will. I wasn't even thinking about having it until I felt someone make contact with it.

I thought this would be a common thing between ccw holders but was just sharing my scare.
 
You need more training.
This is clearly the solution. You made a number of mistakes which could have cost you your life.

1. Your first mistake came long before this incident. It appears that you've made the tactical error of making an acquaintance who doesn't realize that any sort of horseplay is unacceptable. The correct training will ensure than you no longer associate with people, as friends and associates are little more than a tactical liability.

2. Likewise, your second mistake was failing to wear a shirt with a chest-thumping slogan. I suggest you find a local course in selecting intimidating t-shirts. (Commonly you can get a discount if you sign up for the bumper sticker selection course at the same time.) You can usually find them at gun shows between the jerky and the beanie baby tables. If people still approach you, the slogan needs to be kicked up a notch.

3a. You clearly failed to properly secure the exterior of the gas station before entry. While it is clearly foolish to enter a gas station without tactical support, hopefully including overwatch by support elements armed with either precision rifles or something capable of sustained suppressive fire (preferably both), sometimes you're caught alone. Most would recommend you retreat until you can enter such a situation with the proper support, but occasionally, if untrained, you may have failed to keep your tank constantly about 7/8 full or be in need of a beverage (proper training includes dehydration endurance training).

3b. You obviously did not take a tactical inventory of everyone in the shop, particularly those who are doing suspicious activities. For example, there are only a few flavors of Pringles at any gas station and everyone knows you can buy twice as many at Wal-Mart for half as much. Why would anyone even be near the chip aisle? Correct, they are setting an ambush. Likewise, pay attention to anyone loading up on gas station food. Who pays for overpriced, dried out taquitos and nachos covered in jellied jalapenos? Criminals and teenagers. Why? Because they both lack self-esteem and are spending other people's money.

3c. You also failed to properly secure the interior of the gas station. You should always lock the door as you enter, so no one else can get in. See all those people outside "filling up their tanks"? That's right; they are just waiting for you to enter the store. They think you are rich and sexy and want to have their way with you. Don't discount the septuagenarian filling up his class C RV. He has likely converted the back half to some kind of mobile torture room there he will read Karl Marx to you as he applies the thumbscrews.

3d. The cashier counter is little more than a "fatal funnel" provided by the management. Why do you think they make you turn your back to part of the store while you are paying? That's right, collusion with the local criminals. Most gas station training will instruct you that the safest place is behind the register. Go there to pay. If they are in one of those glass cages, the next best thing is to form a small bunker around your position using the Hostess racks. While Twinkies won't stop a determined attacker, Chocodiles will protect against most small arms.

4. Your final mistake was letting someone into your personal space. While most people who have training can keep a 360 degree perimeter in view at all times, a few of us haven't mastered that technique. Here's what I do. I have found a large hula hoop, about 8 feet in diameter. I have attached it to a pair of suspenders. Attached at 18 inch intervals around the circumference are bear bells (get the ones with the little magnet silencers, in case stealth is needed). I wear it everywhere. If someone gets too close, they certainly will bump the hoop. The bell alerts me and I spin around to face them, pulling out my CCW sash, yelling in my most commanding voice, "MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER! BACK AWAY NOW!" It's usually only small children who are foolish enough to approach, and let me tell you, it scares the bejeezus out of them. Since most kids haven't had training, they start crying and look for their parents. You might wonder how I get through narrow doors with this rig. I don't. Anything with less than an 8 foot opening is nothing more than an ambush waiting to happen.

Hope this helps.
 
When you are standing in line, you can be in condition red but you cannot establish a "safe" distance. The next person will be within 3-5' of you. Fully using your peripheal vision allows you to see movement but you may not identify.
I am always scoping the guy with a vest, shirt worn over pants, jacket. In most situations any of us could get a hand on the weapon.
As most are aware, I am a "muscle memory" guy. I practice (slowly) spinning counter clockwise to face the alledged threat. You will find this teaches the subconscious to react as you have practiced. My semi is generally behind my right hip and this places the pistol away from the "threat".

Jorg, Holy...........!!!
 
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As far as SA is concerned here is something to consider.

Way back in 1984 I bought a new car and for the first couple of years every once in a while I would go to the car to go to work and the tire would either be flat or very low. Probably caused by a poor fit of the rim. Anyway, I got in the habit of looking at my tires every time I approached my car. Next thing I notice is that I start seeing lots of cars with tires that need air; either on the road or in parking lots. I can't help but notice them now.

From this I learned the lesson that if you practice looking for something you eventually will start doing it automatically without even having to think of it. I have tired to practice looking out for trouble every day where ever I am. I am not perfect but much better.

If you notice you will see that experienced street cops are almost never the victims of street crimes. That is because a street cop sends his/her whole day looking for trouble unless they are doing paperwork or such. Also, they get very good at noticing suspicious behavior. They get to the point where they are on autopilot and are very hard to catch off guard; on duty or off.
 
thanks jorg, can you give a website where I might purchase one of those tactical hula hoops? I'll get it right after I get the exxon truck to deliver the 500 U.S. gallons of gasoline to my house so I never have to go back in that horrible place. :neener:
 
Yeah,had it happen.
Also,I did that to a good friend once (tough SOB) and almost got clocked in the mouth, he didn't even realize who it was.I had to duck and back up real fast, then he noticed who it was.
I don't do that anymore and advise against it.
 
Every now and then something comes along that is fun to read. Thanks Jorg.

Anyway, I am still wondering how you guys keep your guns hidden on your bodies. I think I am just too skinny to do it anywhere but on an ankle holster. The last few months I have been trying all different kinds of hip holsters but none of the summer clothing that I wear is good enough to hide it sufficiently for me to feel secure about it.

HOW DOES ONE LOOK GOOD AND STILL CARRY ON THE HIP?

By the way, in my experience Fobus holsters are the most comfortable ankle holsters ever.
 
I need one of those hoops jorg ;) this is something i could see open carrying helping, if you open carry, you get used to eyes wandering and you get use to your gun quicker and dont care as much. When you can open carry comfortably then you should have no problem concealed carry without freaking out, this is just a theory so dont tear me up tooooo bad lol
 
This is clearly the solution. You made a number of mistakes which could have cost you your life.

1. Your first mistake came long before this incident. It appears that you've made the tactical error of making an acquaintance who doesn't realize that any sort of horseplay is unacceptable. The correct training will ensure than you no longer associate with people, as friends and associates are little more than a tactical liability.

2. Likewise, your second mistake was failing to wear a shirt with a chest-thumping slogan. I suggest you find a local course in selecting intimidating t-shirts. (Commonly you can get a discount if you sign up for the bumper sticker selection course at the same time.) You can usually find them at gun shows between the jerky and the beanie baby tables. If people still approach you, the slogan needs to be kicked up a notch.

3a. You clearly failed to properly secure the exterior of the gas station before entry. While it is clearly foolish to enter a gas station without tactical support, hopefully including overwatch by support elements armed with either precision rifles or something capable of sustained suppressive fire (preferably both), sometimes you're caught alone. Most would recommend you retreat until you can enter such a situation with the proper support, but occasionally, if untrained, you may have failed to keep your tank constantly about 7/8 full or be in need of a beverage (proper training includes dehydration endurance training).

3b. You obviously did not take a tactical inventory of everyone in the shop, particularly those who are doing suspicious activities. For example, there are only a few flavors of Pringles at any gas station and everyone knows you can buy twice as many at Wal-Mart for half as much. Why would anyone even been near the chip aisle? Correct, they are setting an ambush. Likewise, pay attention to anyone loading up on gas station food. Who pays for overpriced, dried out taquitos and nachos covered in jellied jalapenos? Criminals and teenagers. Why? Because they both lack self-esteem and are spending other people's money.

3c. You also failed to properly secure the interior of the gas station. You should always lock the door as you enter, so no one else can get in. See all those people outside "filling up their tanks"? That's right; they are just waiting for you to enter the store. They think you are rich and sexy and want to have their way with you. Don't discount the septuagenarian filling up his class C RV. He has likely converted the back half to some kind of mobile torture room there he will read Karl Marx to you as he applies the thumbscrews.

3d. The cashier counter is little more than a "fatal funnel" provided by the management. Why do you think they make you turn your back to part of the store while you are paying? That's right, collusion with the local criminals. Most gas station training will instruct you that the safest place is behind the register. Go there to pay. If they are in one of those glass cages, the next best thing is to form a small bunker around your position using the Hostess racks. While Twinkies won't stop a determined attacker, Chocodiles will protect against most small arms.

4. Your final mistake was letting someone into your personal space. While most people who have training can keep a 360 degree perimeter in view at all times, a few of us haven't mastered that technique. Here's what I do. I have found a large hula hoop, about 8 feet in diameter. I have attached it to a pair of suspenders. Attached at 18 inch intervals around the circumference are bear bells (get the ones with the little magnet silencers, in case stealth is needed). I wear it everywhere. If someone gets too close, they certainly will bump the hoop. The bell alerts me and I spin around to face them, pulling out my CCW sash, yelling in my most commanding voice, "MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER! BACK AWAY NOW!" It's usually only small children who are foolish enough to approach, and let me tell you, it scares the bejeezus out of them. Since most kids haven't had training, they start crying and look for their parents. You might wonder how I get through narrow doors with this rig. I don't. Anything with less than an 8 foot opening is nothing more than an ambush waiting to happen.

Hope this helps.

Jorg, I almost died laughing when I heard this, where did you find this? is this yours? or some mall ninja's write up? :D Its too funny.. I almost cryed laughing so hard. I liked 3a the best. --This line was the best though -- " I don't. Anything with less than an 8 foot opening is nothing more than an ambush waiting to happen.
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"You clearly failed to properly secure the exterior of the gas station before entry. While it is clearly foolish to enter a gas station without tactical support, hopefully including overwatch by support elements armed with either precision rifles or something capable of sustained suppressive fire (preferably both), sometimes you're caught alone. Most would recommend you retreat until you can enter such a situation with the proper support, but occasionally, if untrained, you may have failed to keep your tank constantly about 7/8 full or be in need of a beverage (proper training includes dehydration endurance training)."
 
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You need more training.

This is clearly the solution. You made a number of mistakes which could have cost you your life.

1. Your first mistake came long before this incident. It appears that you've made the tactical error of making an acquaintance who doesn't realize that any sort of horseplay is unacceptable. The correct training will ensure than you no longer associate with people, as friends and associates are little more than a tactical liability.

2. Likewise, your second mistake was failing to wear a shirt with a chest-thumping slogan. I suggest you find a local course in selecting intimidating t-shirts. (Commonly you can get a discount if you sign up for the bumper sticker selection course at the same time.) You can usually find them at gun shows between the jerky and the beanie baby tables. If people still approach you, the slogan needs to be kicked up a notch.

3a. You clearly failed to properly secure the exterior of the gas station before entry. While it is clearly foolish to enter a gas station without tactical support, hopefully including overwatch by support elements armed with either precision rifles or something capable of sustained suppressive fire (preferably both), sometimes you're caught alone. Most would recommend you retreat until you can enter such a situation with the proper support, but occasionally, if untrained, you may have failed to keep your tank constantly about 7/8 full or be in need of a beverage (proper training includes dehydration endurance training).

3b. You obviously did not take a tactical inventory of everyone in the shop, particularly those who are doing suspicious activities. For example, there are only a few flavors of Pringles at any gas station and everyone knows you can buy twice as many at Wal-Mart for half as much. Why would anyone even been near the chip aisle? Correct, they are setting an ambush. Likewise, pay attention to anyone loading up on gas station food. Who pays for overpriced, dried out taquitos and nachos covered in jellied jalapenos? Criminals and teenagers. Why? Because they both lack self-esteem and are spending other people's money.

3c. You also failed to properly secure the interior of the gas station. You should always lock the door as you enter, so no one else can get in. See all those people outside "filling up their tanks"? That's right; they are just waiting for you to enter the store. They think you are rich and sexy and want to have their way with you. Don't discount the septuagenarian filling up his class C RV. He has likely converted the back half to some kind of mobile torture room there he will read Karl Marx to you as he applies the thumbscrews.

3d. The cashier counter is little more than a "fatal funnel" provided by the management. Why do you think they make you turn your back to part of the store while you are paying? That's right, collusion with the local criminals. Most gas station training will instruct you that the safest place is behind the register. Go there to pay. If they are in one of those glass cages, the next best thing is to form a small bunker around your position using the Hostess racks. While Twinkies won't stop a determined attacker, Chocodiles will protect against most small arms.

4. Your final mistake was letting someone into your personal space. While most people who have training can keep a 360 degree perimeter in view at all times, a few of us haven't mastered that technique. Here's what I do. I have found a large hula hoop, about 8 feet in diameter. I have attached it to a pair of suspenders. Attached at 18 inch intervals around the circumference are bear bells (get the ones with the little magnet silencers, in case stealth is needed). I wear it everywhere. If someone gets too close, they certainly will bump the hoop. The bell alerts me and I spin around to face them, pulling out my CCW sash, yelling in my most commanding voice, "MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER! BACK AWAY NOW!" It's usually only small children who are foolish enough to approach, and let me tell you, it scares the bejeezus out of them. Since most kids haven't had training, they start crying and look for their parents. You might wonder how I get through narrow doors with this rig. I don't. Anything with less than an 8 foot opening is nothing more than an ambush waiting to happen.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for this! The "training" and "tacticool" parrots drive me nuts. Like every time you leave your house it's a life or death situation and you need three guns, a sackful of backup magazines, and eyes in the back of your head. I was laughing at a bunch of photos of wanna-be ninjas "training" at another forum, and they got all pissy about it. Professionals need training for urban combat, not Joe 6-pack.

If a bunch of people want to get to get together for fun shooting and light competition, and give it an "urban combat theme", that's fine. But civilians paying someone for "training" in urban combat is absurd, IMO.
 
Here's the sad part Jorg. I'm not around here enough to know anything about individual mods or many of the members. I read over half of your post thinking "oh boy, another one of "those guys"....even THR has one I guess". I can only add that maybe ankle carry would be my advice so that anyone hear your gun would be bent over and easy to knee in the head.
 
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