Gov. Blagojevich Faces Showdown Over Gun Bills

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Ok Illinois Members, pour it on....This is our chance to flex some muscle.

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Gov. Blagojevich faces showdown over gun bills
By Kevin McDermott
POST-DISPATCH SPRINGFIELD BUREAU
10/31/2005

SPRINGFIELD, ILL.


It's High Noon in Springfield - a showdown between legislators who are trying to loosen Illinois gun restrictions and Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who is trying to stop them.

As always, downstate Democrats will be lined up against their party's governor when the shooting starts.

This is the final week of the Legislature's two-week "veto session," the last chance lawmakers will have to override vetoes. Among the bills Blagojevich vetoed are three that would ease state gun regulations and prevent local communities from imposing tougher ones. The Senate last week voted to override Blagojevich on one of the bills, and all three could be on the legislative agenda this week.

If the vetoes are overriden, the laws would go on the books over the governor's objections. The effect would be a new rule requiring police to destroy gun-sale records after the sales are complete; the elimination of the current gun-sale waiting period when guns are being traded; and the striking down of local ordinances in Carbondale and other communities that impose tougher rules on gun-transportation than the state standards.

The fight will again highlight an oddity of Illinois politics: When it comes to guns, the usual left-right, Democratic-Republican battle lines are re-drawn, and the fight rages north and south.

"Downstate Democrats are almost always with us on gun bills," noted Rep. David Reis, R-Olney, who will rely heavily on Metro East Democrats in his attempt this week to override Blagojevich on the waiting-period issue. "It's those collar-county (Chicago-area) Republicans who can go either way."

Indeed, last week's Senate vote to override Blagojevich and prevent local communities from restricting gun transportation wouldn't have happened without the almost unanimous backing of downstate legislators of both parties, including every Metro East-area Democrat.

"Anywhere south of I-80, the NRA holds sway" among state legislators of both parties, said John S. Jackson, political scientist at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. "It's a cultural issue. If you put partisan loyalty against voting what you see as the wishes of your constituency, you're almost always going to go with your constituency,"

The gun-transportation bill would scuttle local ordinances that are more restrictive than state law. State law says guns can be transported in cars if they are unloaded and cased, or broken down, and out of the driver's reach. Some communities - including Chicago, several of its suburbs, and Carbondale - have enacted more restrictive ordinances.

Pro-gun-rights advocates say that could lead to situations in which a hunter driving across Illinois, with a gun legally secured according to state statutes, could find himself breaking the law the moment he crosses into a community with a more restrictive statute.

"We have citizens not knowing what the terms of these ordinances are" when they drive through a town, Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, argued in floor debate last week, in supporting the override. "These ordinances are unknown to passers-by, and that's not fair."

But gun-control advocates point out that cities impose tougher driving restrictions than the state all the time. A cell-phone user who talks and drives without a hands-free device will be perfectly legal until he enters Chicago, for example, and then will be violating that city's cell-phone ordinance.

In Carbondale, city ordinance bans any transportation of firearms in a vehicle. City Manager Jeff Doherty said that ordinance is part of the city's attempt to prevent concealed weapons in the college community.

Among senators voting to override Blagojevich's veto, thus nullifying laws like Carbondale's, were Haine; Sen. James Clayborne, D-Belleville; Sen. Deanna Demuzio, D-Carlinville; and Sen. Gary Forby, D-Benton.

The measure passed 38-20, two votes over the three-fifths majority needed for a veto override. It now moves to the House, which even gun-control advocates concede probably will vote to override the veto.

Thomas Mannard, spokesman for the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said he is more optimistic about stopping the other two veto-override attempts expected to come up this week. Both those bills were passed by narrower margins last spring than was the gun-transportation bill.

The gun-transportation bill is SB2104. The waiting-period bill is HB340. The gun records destruction bill is SB57.

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The fight will again highlight an oddity of Illinois politics: When it comes to guns, the usual left-right, Democratic-Republican battle lines are re-drawn, and the fight rages north and south.

As someone who lives straight west of Chicago, I'm always a little peeved at being labeled "downstate". It's not a north-south thing, it's a Chicago vs. everywhere else thing.
 
Well, really Chicago plus the North shore....Wilmette, Evanston, Lake Forest with Oak Park and Morton Grove thrown in as adjacent.

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Wish there were a way to just split Chi off into its own little, bankrupt state. Let them fend and fester by themselves and stop dragging the rest of us down with them.
 
Yep,

The downstate Democrats (excluding the East St Louis ones) are solidly pro-gun. The Chicago Democrats are Anti-gun. The collar county Republicans are mostly pro-gun, but some have gotten wishy-washy (Sandra Phios R-Glen Ellyn, for example). Those are the ones we need to contact and hold their feet to the fire.

E-mails and phone calls made !!!
 
If you put partisan loyalty against voting what you see as the wishes of your constituency, you're almost always going to go with your constituency,"

I would hope so...
 
"In Carbondale, city ordinance bans any transportation of firearms in a vehicle. City Manager Jeff Doherty said that ordinance is part of the city's attempt to prevent concealed weapons in the college community."

Good grief! How the heck do the residents go on a hunting trip? I guess you have to store your firearms outside the city... Absurd.


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If you put partisan loyalty against voting what you see as the wishes of your constituency, you're almost always going to go with your constituency,"

I would hope so..."

That's not generally the case here in Minnesota. Or, it wasn't when Roger Moe ran the Democrats in the state senate. It was his way or the highway. Our state senators often urinate on the constituents in order to follow the party line.

JB
 
Well, really Chicago plus the North shore....Wilmette, Evanston, Lake Forest with Oak Park and Morton Grove thrown in as adjacent.

All part of the same thing, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Now I remember why I moved to Texas.

(I have a brother who's a cop in a Chicago suburb, and he's said "Every one of those damned guns should be melted down." Except his, of course.)

But look at this:

"In Carbondale, city ordinance bans any transportation of firearms in a vehicle. City Manager Jeff Doherty said that ordinance is part of the city's attempt to prevent concealed weapons in the college community."

*Any* transportation in a vehicle? So that means that if you own a firearm within the city, you can't move it anywhere? Can't take it hunting? To a range? To a gunsmith? Can't sell it?

That line from the city manager is pure hogwash; they're simply trying to eliminate the Second Amendment from Carbondale.

Good luck, Illinois--I wish you well!
 
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