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Green Berets movie gun question

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by AFhack, Jan 1, 2006.

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  1. AFhack

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    Just watching Green Berets on AMC - probably the 20th time I've seen this movie but first time I've noticed a weapon I couldn't ID. In the tail 3rd of the movie - shortly after the paradrop, there's an NCO that's out ahead of the main drop. He encounters several NVA - fights and dies valiantly, just before he dies he throws a knife into an NVA soldier and then tries to radio John Wayne and dies in the middle of transmission. Anyway, when John Wayne and the main body find him John Wayne picks up his weapon, which appears to be a normal M-16 except for the magazine. It's visible for a few seconds before John Wayne smashes it against a tree in frustration at the man's death, saying something like "He took all of them with him, they wouldn't have left this behind." The magazine looks way to large for 5.56, and possibly skelotinized. Looks at least .308, perhaps larger.

    Is this just a movie prop gone wrong - or was it a different weapon?
     
  2. joab

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    The first version of the M16 was the AR10 in 308 maybe that's it.
    http://world.guns.ru/assault/as16-e.htm
    I've seen that movie about as many times as you and that is one of the most rememorable scenes, but I have never noticed it before
     
  3. kentucky_smith

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    PER IMDB:

    Revealing mistakes: When Kirby smashes the M-16 against a tree, you can see a speaker in the stock, indicating it is probably a toy gun.
     
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    What's the point of sending an infantryman to Ft S
    IIRC, The original M16 as first purchased by the USAF and Army SF came with plastic "waffle" magazines. The mags didn't work too well in the high heat of Viet Nam and were replaced by aluminium mags soon after. The scene in "The Green Berets" showed an M16 with the plastic mag.

    Mike
     
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    learn something everyday
     
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    Mattel making M-16s may have been an urban legend but during WWII lots of seemingly 'oddball' companies made guns and armaments. Sewing machine companies (Singer made 1911s), typewriter companies (Remington Rand)etc.
     
  9. AZ Jeff

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    The early "waffle" magazines for the M16 were patterned after the ones used on the AR-10. Both were made from aluminum.

    Plastic magazines for the M-16 did not appear until MANY years after the VN war.
     
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    that was a prop gun,not a real gun.
     
  11. Hawkmoon

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    I was in Vietnam in 1968, with the original M16s (no 'A' anything following). Magazines were metal.

    And, yes, the guns were unreliable as all get out, and yes we joked that the ones Mattel was selling at home probably worked better. We did NOT ever suggest that the guns we had were made by Mattel. That would have been unfair to Mattel.
     
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    The rumor I remember is that Mattel made the stocks for the rifles, but not the rifles themselves...an urban legend, no doubt.
     
  13. kentucky_smith

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    From Snopes:

     
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    I actually believed the Mattel myth until fairly recently.
    I can even visualize the mattel logo etched into my M16
     
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    congrads, Isn't false memories wierd?
     
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    Had to resurrect this one... I found this pic showing the Mattel made Marauder toy in the movie.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. AirForceShooter

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    In 1967 I was issued the M-16 . It took about 2 months for the reports to start coming in. The first reports were from the Marines in I Corp. Numerous reports of grunts dying over M-16's that were broken open to clear jams.
    Thank God I served with the Australians. I got myself a FAL as fast as my little grubby hands could arrange it. My CO went a little nuts but never ordered me to give the FAL back. His attitude was if you want to hump the brick and heavy ammo I don't care as long as you do the job. But never be seen with it in public places.

    To this day I will NOT touch and M-16 or any variant.
    Yes it's made by Mattel and it's a poodle shooter.

    AFS
     
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    I had the Mattel Marauder as a kid.
    It looked exactly like the one the Duke has in his hand in that photo.
     
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