grenade launchers

[akodo]

I am taking some non-shooters to a gunshow tomorrow, to 'look for the gunshow loophole' so that they know gunshows are not filled with people looking for, trying to, or willing to get around the background check. This is after I showed them a few adds in the newspaper classified section where you could do a 'face to face' and avoid a background check, and have gone over 'Straw Purchases' which can and do go on at gunshows, but are already illegal, and happen at sporting goods shops and regular gun shops too.


I am also going to point out some of the sillyness of the assault weapon ban, specifically the fear of the bayonette lug and the 'grenade launcher'.

When people here 'grenade launcher' they think of the underslug model often seen in military use (m208?) under the M-16 rifle.

However, it is my understanding that really the grenade launchers being refered to are the fact that rifle grenades got invented, and then most guns produced with an eye to the military market were designed with a muzzle end that one could fit the rifle grenade on to, kind of like modern computer makers having USB ports.

So what I am asking for is some photos of the type of muzzle ends that are designed to be compatable with rifle grenades, so I can more surely know what to look for.

thanks

 

[30 cal slob]

i'm saving up for an M-203 40 mm to lob paint rounds.

gonna be a beeeyotch to explain to the jefe when it comes time to get the paperwork squared away.

 

[Legion1776]

gonna be a beeeyotch to explain to the jefe when it comes time to get the paperwork squared away.

Thats why you have to change it's name to the M-203 40mm high visiblity rescue marking tool.

 

[Glockfan.45]

So what I am asking for is some photos of the type of muzzle ends that are designed to be compatable with rifle grenades, so I can more surely know what to look for.

thanks

Most Yugo SKS's have an attached grenade launcher.

 

[Destructo6]

Usually, the rifle grenade adaptor for the muzzle is a long tube with a series of rings. The most common one to expect to see is those on the Yugo SKS 59/66 types.

Here are some examples:

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/images/grndrifl.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/grenade/_gl-rf1.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/grenade/_gl-rf2.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks_yugo.jpg

 

[Brother in Arms]

Any Muzzle deveice of 22mm diameter can accept a NATO rifle grenade.

A good example of a grenade launching muzzle device can be found on a Yugoslavian SKS.

Brother in Arms

 

[Amish_Bill]

Destructo - you can't direct link to those pics.

Try the Grenade page itself http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl00-e.htm

 

[karlsgunbunker]

Evil Grenade Launcher

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

If you want to show the sillyness of them, tell them to try to find live grenades at the gun show (whether weapon fired or hand thrown). There are all kinds of inert ones or chalk/paint rounds but the real deal isn't exactly available at your local WalMart or gun show.

 

[akodo]

got back from the show, had on a molon labe hat i got from someone here, had some people ask where I got it, told them check out 'the high road'.

Was able to easily spot some 'grenade launcher' ends on some sks's and pointed this out, one guy said when he heard 'grenade launcher' re assault weapons ban, he thought RPG type stuff.

As I have discovered many times, often those who are not anti end up recalling firearms experiences they had in their youth, this gun is like grandpa charlie had, or whatever. Also, I think they get to see some of the interplay between firearms and other 'geeky' hobbies like photography, model trains, etc. Finally, the historical angle is there as well, from firearms, to stacks of old photos, helmets and badges, to seeing a shirt with the yellow star of david and a z sewn on it. It also helped that at least here there were no big nazi flags hanging or anything. We did see one swastica flag early on, but it was in a case with a pistol and a few other items, along with a note 'take from a prisoner after the battle of XYZ' so it wasn't pro hitler as much as just noting the provenonce of the pistol, again, reflecting the real life history imbued in these items.

at the end I brought up the gunshow loophole, which i explained earlier. They said, yes, you could probably spot one of the attendees walking around with a rifle and buy that from him if say, you really wanted to kill someone that day, but that really isn't the type of gun a terrorist or gangmember would want, and taht you could jsut strawpurchase some place else with about the same effort. The guys with the tables and AR-15s, M-16s, glocks, mac-10s and the rest were clearly marked, had signs up and were definately legitemate FFLs were you would go through a background check. They seemed to think that there were at least a few times when a handgun could have been palmed, but after I stated I didn't see any gun unlached from the cables run through bundles, except for airsoft, the functional nature of the guns they saw untethered was called into question, even if they were sure it wasn't airsoft. They speculated that those guns might not have had all their parts, while I suspect they were seeing bbguns, parts guns, and percussion cap revolver reproductions. They even mentioned that just the volume of guns there in the hands of guys selling would make theft much more unlikely.