Dave Williams
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Grip Force Adapter
Let's face it. People have been using stock Glock pistols
for 25yrs in combat. They work pretty well. I saw a quote from
Insights Instructor Mike Shertz(about as an intense, real deal guy
there is) that sums it up nicely, "proven mediocre technology over the promise
of something better". Sure the idea of a $3K 20 round 40S&W 1911 is nice.
But is it reliable? I don't know, but the Glock is, and it costs $400.
There is a reason the Glock is considered the gold standard of combat
handguns, and it's all about reliability.
When you get into advanced shooting, shooting in human reaction time,
like is done at the world's foremost shooting school, Rogers
Shooting School, http://www.rogersshootingschool.com,
some of the Glock's features are a detriment. An example is the
area under the trigger guard. It needs to be undercut more, so that
you can get your hand up higher on the grip tang. You can do this
with a dremel tool, and during a class Bill Rogers will frequently
take a student's gun, undercut and thin the triggerguard,
and instantly the student will have better control over the gun.
Now if you do this, you may have a problem in the
grip tang area. The grip tang area of the Glock pistol is not extended,
so you may get some slide bite, parallel grooves cut into the web of your
hand between your strong hand thumb and forefinger.
There are a few solutions to this problem. You can man up and just accept
the pain, after all, chicks dig scars, and you will have some, believe me.
You can grind the sides of the slides to a round profile.
Not the best option on a work issued gun that can't be
modified, and let's face it most people would be hesitant to do this,
even though it is a real deal solution to the problem. I've seen
guns so modified, and while fully functional, they look like crap.
The other option is to not hold the gun as high, but
it's a also a sub-optimal option. Look at video of the best
shooters in the world. They all have something in
common: they hold the gun as high up on the backstrap as they can.
Doing so gives you the best control of the gun for fast, accurate fire.
Here is where the Grip Force Adapter comes in. This product provides
a comfortable extended grip tang for the Glock pistol. It allows you
to get up as high as possible on the backstrap and really drive the gun.
It's a duty grade part, meant for use on guns going in harms way.
After using the part on my Glocks, I consider it a mandatory
upgrade of the Glock pistol, and so do some VERY high end shooters who
have evaluated the part.
For some reason, when I "go to grip" with a Glock that has a Grip
Force Adapter on it, my hand is forced as high as it can go. Without
the Grip Force Adapter, sometimes I'll not get an optimal highest possible
grip on the Glock. With the Grip Force Adapter, however, it is go time
from the instant you grip the gun in the holster. It really does work well.
Do you wear gloves on duty? Many SWAT/Tactical Officers do. The
Grip Force Adapter will keep you from shredding your gloves in training
with the Glock pistol. If you are a high end shooter on a tac unit,
you are sitting there nodding because you know what I am talking about,
problem solved brother.
Are you a 1911 shooter? Did you read Jeff Cooper growing up? Did you get
into Law Enforcement, and now you are forced to carry the infernal Glock
pistol? Does the Glock point high for you because you are so used to
your beloved 1911? Problem solved brother. The Grip Force adapter
slightly changes the grip angle of the Glock, making it
point more like a 1911, especially the Gen4 version on the
Gen4 in SF/no added backstrap configuration. Now if you use a Gen4
and you like the grip angle of the Glock, put a Gen123 grip adapter over
the medium Gen4 grip insert, it still points more like a Glock than a 1911.
This is what I've elected to do as you can see in the pics of my guns.
Another potential benefit of this part is that it may make the Glock
pistol even more reliable than it already is. Ken Hackathorn mentions
this in his video at http://www.gripforceproducts.com/VIDEOS.html. Ken says the fact that the
Grip Force Adapter forces you to hold the Glock with more of a locked
wrist may make the gun more reliable and eliminate the dreaded "limp wrist" malfunction.
I'll defer to Ken's opinion, as he is one of the most respected firearms trainers on the planet.
Now you can use this part on any Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 24, 31, 32, 34, 35,
37, 38, and oh yeah.......you can use it on the 26, 27, 33, and 39!
That's right, it fits on the Glock subcompacts. All you need to do is chop the
part about 7 rows of checkering up from the bottom and you have the best
addition to a subcompact Glock you can imagine! I've got one on my 27 as you can see
along with an A&G Grip Extender for off duty carry. This really helps you control this
little beast of a gun. I'm using full power 165gr Gold Dot(1150fps!)
and the Grip Force Grip Adapter really helps control the gun.
Now I did with a pair of tin snips, but if you used a
dremel cut off wheel and some files you could do a prettier job than me.
By the way I was first turned on the the A&G by Larry Mudgett, www.marksmanshipmatters.com.
This A&G part allows you the option of carrying a flush G27 mag in the gun
for ankle, pocket, and other max concealment uses as a Back Up Gun, then switching to the A&G
with a G23 mag for belt carry as a primary. It's a great product, and in conjunction
with the Grip Force Adapter turn the subcompact series into a very versatile,
do everyting gun, for those of us on a budget who can't own a different gun for every
use needed.
Oh yeah, the Grip Force Adapter is fully compatible with the Safariland SLS/ALS hood, I
personally use a 6365 ALS duty holster and it works great. Since the ALS
is the best duty holster on the market(ever?) this is a critical factoid.
You do have a Grip Force Adapter on your Glock pistol don't you?
No? Go sit in the corner!
Dave Williams
Full Disclosure: I know the principle of Grip Force and have been "in the loop"
on this product since day one. However, I have no financial interest in the
product, but I do believe in it. Any questions feel free to PM/email me through
the forum.
Let's face it. People have been using stock Glock pistols
for 25yrs in combat. They work pretty well. I saw a quote from
Insights Instructor Mike Shertz(about as an intense, real deal guy
there is) that sums it up nicely, "proven mediocre technology over the promise
of something better". Sure the idea of a $3K 20 round 40S&W 1911 is nice.
But is it reliable? I don't know, but the Glock is, and it costs $400.
There is a reason the Glock is considered the gold standard of combat
handguns, and it's all about reliability.
When you get into advanced shooting, shooting in human reaction time,
like is done at the world's foremost shooting school, Rogers
Shooting School, http://www.rogersshootingschool.com,
some of the Glock's features are a detriment. An example is the
area under the trigger guard. It needs to be undercut more, so that
you can get your hand up higher on the grip tang. You can do this
with a dremel tool, and during a class Bill Rogers will frequently
take a student's gun, undercut and thin the triggerguard,
and instantly the student will have better control over the gun.
Now if you do this, you may have a problem in the
grip tang area. The grip tang area of the Glock pistol is not extended,
so you may get some slide bite, parallel grooves cut into the web of your
hand between your strong hand thumb and forefinger.
There are a few solutions to this problem. You can man up and just accept
the pain, after all, chicks dig scars, and you will have some, believe me.
You can grind the sides of the slides to a round profile.
Not the best option on a work issued gun that can't be
modified, and let's face it most people would be hesitant to do this,
even though it is a real deal solution to the problem. I've seen
guns so modified, and while fully functional, they look like crap.
The other option is to not hold the gun as high, but
it's a also a sub-optimal option. Look at video of the best
shooters in the world. They all have something in
common: they hold the gun as high up on the backstrap as they can.
Doing so gives you the best control of the gun for fast, accurate fire.
Here is where the Grip Force Adapter comes in. This product provides
a comfortable extended grip tang for the Glock pistol. It allows you
to get up as high as possible on the backstrap and really drive the gun.
It's a duty grade part, meant for use on guns going in harms way.
After using the part on my Glocks, I consider it a mandatory
upgrade of the Glock pistol, and so do some VERY high end shooters who
have evaluated the part.
For some reason, when I "go to grip" with a Glock that has a Grip
Force Adapter on it, my hand is forced as high as it can go. Without
the Grip Force Adapter, sometimes I'll not get an optimal highest possible
grip on the Glock. With the Grip Force Adapter, however, it is go time
from the instant you grip the gun in the holster. It really does work well.
Do you wear gloves on duty? Many SWAT/Tactical Officers do. The
Grip Force Adapter will keep you from shredding your gloves in training
with the Glock pistol. If you are a high end shooter on a tac unit,
you are sitting there nodding because you know what I am talking about,
problem solved brother.
Are you a 1911 shooter? Did you read Jeff Cooper growing up? Did you get
into Law Enforcement, and now you are forced to carry the infernal Glock
pistol? Does the Glock point high for you because you are so used to
your beloved 1911? Problem solved brother. The Grip Force adapter
slightly changes the grip angle of the Glock, making it
point more like a 1911, especially the Gen4 version on the
Gen4 in SF/no added backstrap configuration. Now if you use a Gen4
and you like the grip angle of the Glock, put a Gen123 grip adapter over
the medium Gen4 grip insert, it still points more like a Glock than a 1911.
This is what I've elected to do as you can see in the pics of my guns.
Another potential benefit of this part is that it may make the Glock
pistol even more reliable than it already is. Ken Hackathorn mentions
this in his video at http://www.gripforceproducts.com/VIDEOS.html. Ken says the fact that the
Grip Force Adapter forces you to hold the Glock with more of a locked
wrist may make the gun more reliable and eliminate the dreaded "limp wrist" malfunction.
I'll defer to Ken's opinion, as he is one of the most respected firearms trainers on the planet.
Now you can use this part on any Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, 24, 31, 32, 34, 35,
37, 38, and oh yeah.......you can use it on the 26, 27, 33, and 39!
That's right, it fits on the Glock subcompacts. All you need to do is chop the
part about 7 rows of checkering up from the bottom and you have the best
addition to a subcompact Glock you can imagine! I've got one on my 27 as you can see
along with an A&G Grip Extender for off duty carry. This really helps you control this
little beast of a gun. I'm using full power 165gr Gold Dot(1150fps!)
and the Grip Force Grip Adapter really helps control the gun.
Now I did with a pair of tin snips, but if you used a
dremel cut off wheel and some files you could do a prettier job than me.
By the way I was first turned on the the A&G by Larry Mudgett, www.marksmanshipmatters.com.
This A&G part allows you the option of carrying a flush G27 mag in the gun
for ankle, pocket, and other max concealment uses as a Back Up Gun, then switching to the A&G
with a G23 mag for belt carry as a primary. It's a great product, and in conjunction
with the Grip Force Adapter turn the subcompact series into a very versatile,
do everyting gun, for those of us on a budget who can't own a different gun for every
use needed.
Oh yeah, the Grip Force Adapter is fully compatible with the Safariland SLS/ALS hood, I
personally use a 6365 ALS duty holster and it works great. Since the ALS
is the best duty holster on the market(ever?) this is a critical factoid.
You do have a Grip Force Adapter on your Glock pistol don't you?
No? Go sit in the corner!
Dave Williams
Full Disclosure: I know the principle of Grip Force and have been "in the loop"
on this product since day one. However, I have no financial interest in the
product, but I do believe in it. Any questions feel free to PM/email me through
the forum.
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