Group Urges More Gun Control in California

[Desertdog]

Group Urges More Gun Control in California
http://www.cnsnews.com/ThisHour.asp#Group Urges More Gun Control in California


(CNSNews.com) - A gun control group wants to make the race for California attorney general a referendum on guns. James Brady, honorary chair of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, has sent a letter to the attorney general candidates, describing "gun violence" as "one of the most important issues" facing California. Even though California has "some of the strongest gun laws in the country," Brady wrote, "more must be done." The letter challenges attorney general candidates to publicly "pledge to push for common sense legislation and for the full implementation of the laws that protect the public from needless gun violence." Brady specifically wants California to adopt microstamping - a process that supposedly allows bullets to be matched to the handgun that fired them. He wants stricter oversight of firearm licensees; and inspections of gun dealers and suspensions of their licenses when "public safety is at risk."

 

[Standing Wolf]

Another leftist extremist press release magically transformed into so-called "news."

 

[Tropical Z]

common sense

Thats the main thing DemoRATS lack!!! :banghead:

 

[GregGry]

If I may ask some questions...

The firing pin/striker is not a controled part by the BATF correct?

The firing pin/striker needs replacement at one point or another, correct?

Creating such a requirement of firing pin microstamps, would cost a lot of money, and would greatly increase the cost of a replacement firing pin striker, right?

This law will not affect criminals in any way, correct?

My last question is, what (if any) benifit does this new idea offer to help keep people safe from the wrong doings of criminals?

 

[bigun15]

GregGry, you have a good point, but it isn't about the criminals. It's about me, the kid. It's about my dad, the gun owner. It's about all the adults that haven't done anything wrong, but could resist the government even a little bit. Why it is politicians always want to take guns away from the people who didn't do anything wrong I will never know. But they will have a heck of a time getting the ones here.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

How about instead of implementing new laws you take a look at who is committing the crimes. "Gun violence" (as if the gun is the entity committing violence) isn't the problem. There are laws against murder, in case you didn't know, and you can bet your 5 million dollar mansion that criminals aren't going to use your microstamped firearms at their next hit at the Stop N' Rob.
Prosecute the crime instead of the tool for a change you...tools!

 

[qlajlu]

(1) If I am a bad guy why wouldn't I simply use a file to screw up the imprint?

(2) If I am a bad guy why wouldn't I use a rod in the barrel to change the striations the rifling leaves on the bullet?

(3) If I am a bad guy why wouldn't I use a revolver or police my brass leaving nothing to match except the bullet which came from a barrel that has been tampered with?

How stupid do they think the criminal is? If the gun is stolen, only the good guy is going to be held under a microscope.

Ballistic fingerprinting did not work, this is a step further away at what cost.

This won't solve anything except make a firearm more expensive.

 

[riverdog]

This won't solve anything except make a firearm more expensive.

Bingo, that's the goal. More expensive means fewer people can afford them means fewer guns available to the public through legal channels.

 

[Zen21Tao]

Cali, Mass, New York, and New Jersey are jokes. They have the toughest gun control and the most crime. You think they would look to states where criminals actually worry about facing an armed victim and learn something. Gun control facilitates crime not discourage it.

 

[Manedwolf]

With the whole microstamping thing...

Why does someone not, in the opposition PR, simply bring in a revolver and explain that they DO NOT DROP THEIR FREAKING BRASS, therefore the whole idea is useless?

Have you ever heard of a criminal stopping at a crime scene to empty their chambers? How many criminals carry speedloaders?

 

[tellner]

By "leftist extremists" you mean, of course, lifelong Republicans and close personal friends of (LAAAA!!!!!) St. Ronald the Faultless aka Sarah and James Brady.

 

[Sindawe]

Why does someone not, in the opposition PR, simply bring in a revolver and explain that they DO NOT DROP THEIR FREAKING BRASS, therefore the whole idea is useless?

Why then, we will simply have to ban revolvers (for civilians only though, police can have 'em) since criminals are using them to conceal evidence of their crimes. Nobody NEEDs a revolver when autoloading pistols are so common.

It is not about effective means to minimize illegal firearms and their use. It is about small, incremental steps to remove firearms from private hands.

 

[Desertdog]

Why does someone not, in the opposition PR, simply bring in a revolver and explain that they DO NOT DROP THEIR FREAKING BRASS, therefore the whole idea is useless?

Then it will be back to serial numbers on the leads.

What they, those guys putting this s*** out, want to do is disarm the honest civilians.

Why would they want yo do that? I have my ideas, and it isn't pretty a pretty idea. Study your history books on Germany during WW2 and their Jewish cleansing, Russian since their 1917 Revolution, the Chinese Communist since they took took over China and North Korea just to name a few examples of what will happen if they, anti-gunners get their way.

Am I just over reacting? I don't think so.

 

[Manedwolf]

What I'm also afraid of is that if this were to go through, it'd be quite easy for someone to scoop up Joe Citizen's brass at a range, take it with on a drive-by, throw it out the window...

...and then Joe Citizen gets a no-knock raid.

 

[Zen21Tao]

What I'm also afraid of is that if this were to go through, it'd be quite easy for someone to scoop up Joe Citizen's brass at a range, take it with on a drive-by, throw it out the window...

...and then Joe Citizen gets a no-knock raid.

If you meant that the criminal reloads Joe Citizen's brass to use it in the crime than it may not be a problem for Joe unless the etching is on the casing itself. As it stands I think that the etching is on the firing pin and transfers to the primer. If this is the case the spent primer has to be ejected and replaced in the reloading process. I would be more worried that the no-knock raid would coming as a result of Joe's gun itself being stolen and used in a crime by a criminal that doesn't have the common decency to replace the firing pin or file off the micro etching.

 

[Firethorn]

Zen, he means scooping up fired brass at the range, then when they do a shooting, they chuck a handful of the brass into the same area as their brass has gone.

Thus, police have about 3 times as much brass as they have shots. Unless the cops are smart enough to figure out what caliber the shots were and the criminal was dumb enough not to grab the right caliber, they're going to have the problem of seeing 2 or more guns when they process the cartridges.

 

[Librarian]

"criminal reloads"? That's work, y'know - most criminals seem allergic to it. No, the suggestion was to collect brass from Joe Citizen's range session and, unaltered, leave the brass at at the scene of Bill Criminal's latest firearms-involved escapade.

Supposedly,

Microstamping technology utilizes lasers to make precise, microscopic engravings on the breech face and firing pin of a gun.

from link (WARNING: gun control org press release!).
A more palatable link is here: SAAMI

 

[Manedwolf]

Exactly, I'd just meant scooping up brass of the same caliber and dropping it at the crime scene deliberately. As in, Bill Criminal does drive-by with 9mm with baggie over taped over ejection port, accomplice throws Joe Citizen's spent 9mm brass out the window for the cops to put the little flags on and take to the lab.

 

[tellner]

It's plausible, but it seems like a lot of work just to confuse the issue. You have to go to a range, shoot, check the caliber of other brass in the area when you sweep it up, pick it out, keep it with you, shoot someone while you have the spare brass on you and drop it at the scene. That's more steps than most people and probably most criminals would be willing to go through to add an extra layer of protection in what is probably a spur-of-the-moment crime.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I stand corrected. Howver, I would think the criminal would rather just remove the etching marks from the gun first rather than try to toss out someone elses spent brass. That could backfire and be worse for the criminal. For example, the cops go to the legal gun owner with no other leads and the gun owner says the last time he used his gun was at the range so the cops investigate the range and find a security tape of others at the range the same time the law abiding citizen was there (they had to be there at same time to get his brass before we swept it up). Now they have additional suspects they wouldn't otherwise have.

 

[Spot77]

I can't believe I'm going to be the first one to say this.

It's not about guns, it's about CONTROL.

 

[Korimyr the Rat]

By "leftist extremists" you mean, of course, lifelong Republicans and close personal friends of (LAAAA!!!!!) St. Ronald the Faultless aka Sarah and James Brady.

I will thank you for that, sir. Partisanship's so deep in this thread, I needed a shovel to finish reading it.

 

[AJAX22]

why is it that people with the least understanding of an issue are the ones who attempt to pass legislation on things?

what happens when the microstamping wears out? probably happen pretty quickly with steel case ammo.

then you have a gun with a 'modified serialnumber' or some such crap.

these people need to keep there laws off of my guns.